Ruger No.1 in 30-40 Krag

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  1. rcmodel

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    Resize your cases after the first firing so they headspace off the shoulder, not the rim as designed.

    Just bump the shoulder enough the sized cases will chamber with slight resistance when closing the action.

    If you do that, those 22 cases will last you the rest of your life in a single-shot.

    rc
     
  2. Bullseye

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    I think you will love it.
    Reloading Krag 30-40 is a breeze for me. One of the funner ones to shoot.
    I shoot mine out of a 1898 Krag Jorgenson sporter so I don't jack up the loads but in that Ruger No 3 you got the rifle to almost rival a 30-06.
    My Ruger 1 is in 25-06. They are a dream machine and built strong.
     
  3. Clark

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    I have Ruger #1 rifles in .223, 270, and 7mmRemMag.

    I can't say enough good about them.

    Put a ammo pouch cheek rest on it. Put a bi pod on it. Prone you can shoot it like a machine gun, but more accurately.

    If you handload hot, the Ruger #1 is better than a bolt action.

    Ruger1bipod.jpg

    This doe was running and i was shooting at 400 yards when she stopped to jump the fence, and was dropped with the #1 7mmRemMag

    I paid $575 in 2005 for that rifle.

    If you see any more Ruger #1 rifles for $650, buy them all.
     
  4. loose noose

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    Thank ya RC, I'll keep that in mind, BTW the other No.1 was in the same caliber (30-40 Krag) but she was asking $850.00 for it but it too was a No.3. She couldn't explain why the other No.3 was going for $850 and the unfired one that I got was $650. The other one was in obviously used condition, but did have a prettier stock, the forearm any way.
     
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    A buddy of mine recently had a high dollar custom High Wall built. .30-40 is what the smith recommended for a low recoil .30. :rolleyes:
    The case capacity is real close to a .308.
     
  6. Sunray

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    Nothing wrong with the 30-40 Krag cartridge except for the part where nobody makes ammo OR brass, regularly. Seasonal only with no mention of exactly when it is that season.
    Rumour has it you can make cases out of .303 British though. Requires a small lathe as I recall.
    And I'll hold you while RC slaps you, just on the principal. One of those is very like already a collector's piece. One of 'em listed on Gunsinternational at $999.
     
  7. Clark

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    If you handload, and know what you are doing, the 30-40 SAAMI registered max average pressure of 40 kcup will seem overly conservative when the strong rimmed 30-40 case head which is ~40% stronger than the weak rimless 270/22-250/6mmRem Mauser case head which is registered at 65kpsi. Working up at load in a 308 and a 30-40 Ruger #1, the 30-40 should win when the 308 gets a loose primer pocket. Except for Lapua small primer pocket 308 palma brass. The 30-40 can't beat that.
     
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    Using 303 Brit brass for 30-40 Krag after going through a 30-40 sizer die....

    I am looking at SAAMI drawings
    The 30-40 chamber is:
    0.064 - 0.071" rim space
    0.555 - .567" rim diameter
    0.459 -.461" base diameter
    2.322 - 2.337" chamber length

    The 303 Brit cartridge is:
    0.054 - 0.064" rim thickness -> 100% chance of fitting
    0.525 - 0.540" rim diameter -> 100% chance of fitting
    0.4474 - 0.4554" base diameter -> 100% chance of fitting
    2.202 - 2.222" chamber length -> 100% chance of fitting

    Does not look like it requires a lathe.
     
  9. BCRider

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    It's been my experience that the "rare stuff" does show up. You just need some patience. You've got 50 cases for now. More will show up in time. I'll bet an E-beer that inside of a year from now you're knee deep in .30-40 casings for your new toy.

    If it had been me my pants would have burst into flame from whipping my wallet out so fast.... :D
     
  10. Bullet Bob

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    I'd call that deal a score! I see .30-40 brass for sale all the time. I have a Ruger #1 in .220 Swift, and since a long shot here is 50 yards, I'm thinking about re-chambering it to the parent 6mm Lee Navy. I'd definitely probably have the only one.

    Enjoy that #3, I really like single-shots.
     
  11. zb338

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    I'm drooling. Used to have a Krag carbine and sold it like
    a jerk. A very neat old cartridge that kills stuff without
    trying very hard.

    Zeke
     
  12. loose noose

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    Clark and BC Rider, I do thank you for the information, I do have access to 303British, I'll have to try some of those when my dies arrive. BTW Clark I've been reloading for over 40 years, in fact I was looking at the 49th Edition of the Lyman Reloading manual, and they stated basically what you stated in regards to the pressures that the Ruger's can take. I believe the Krag/Jorgenson, would only allow 40,000 due to there carbon steel receiver, however the Ruger's will at least allow 50,000. Note I do have some .308 cast bullets that weigh in at 173 grains with a gas check I plan on loading some of those up here as soon as I get my dies, as I did get 22 30-40 Krag Winchester primed casings.

    Incidentally, BC Rider, that lady at the gun show was selling her late husbands rifles and I doubt she was in any hurry to get rid of them. Her husband was a Vietnam Vet as well as me, so I could relate to her, he recently died at the early age of 72. So the decent price, I still don't understand why she was asking so much for the other No.3 she had there, other than the stock was a lot prettier than mine, but obviously used. Any way I thank the both of you for the valuable information.
     
  13. David4516

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    Anybody who has shot one would probably disagree with that statement. It's a great cartridge. I would love to have a Ruger .30-40 I've never even seen one however, they must be pretty rare. I do have a "sporterized" Krag rifle however, probably the coolest bolt action ever.

    Brass is only sold "seasonally". Just check to see if it's in stock every now and then, and when it does finally show up, buy a bunch, and you'll be set for a long time.

    I don't know about the Rugers, but the Krag rifles seem to like heavy bullets, like 180gr or more. IMR 4350 has worked best for me as far as powder goes...
     
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    Have Krags. Right now, best bet for brass is to find some Remington loaded ammo quickly. They seem to produce it for hunting season and then it disappears. Have not seen Winchester brand in several years.

    If you use .303 brass for Krags, try the Prvi Partisan brand (grafs has unfired brass if you want) but .303 brass is thinner in the neck than the Krag. For that reason, quite a few .303 shooters use Krag brass to make a longer lasting .303 cartridge.

    Because most people firing .30-40 have ex-military Krags, round nosed long bullets are the norm but the U.S. Military, right before the transition to the 1903, used spitzer bullets in 1907 Palma matches with modified Krags to good effect.

    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/archive/index.php/t-238113.html

    It appears Buffalo Arms has Remington 180gr in stock but it is about $40 per box of 20.
     
  16. loose noose

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    Just this morning got a hold of Able's Sporting Goods, and ordered a box of Remington 180 grain ammo, the price was only $36.49 or so, but the shipping was $13.50 for a grand total of $49.99 of there abouts. Now I'll have at least 42 rounds to play with once my dies get here.
     
  17. Clark

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    The moral is to buy any Ruger #1 for $650 in any cartridge.
    The #1 will teach you to love that cartridge.
    And the 30-40 Krag is easy to love.
     
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    Buy a couple hundred rounds of ammo and get in line for brass. No big deal.

    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/248306
     
  19. loose noose

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    Ah like RC stated, I do believe I'll take his advice and reload like what he said, in order to maintain my brass. Note I have an a lot of different rifles, everything from .22LR-45-70 and none of them are safe queens so to speak.

    I do plan on trying the No.3 on elk next season, using a Barnes 220 grain projectile. I wonder if it will kill them any deader than my 270, or 30-06. Just kidding, but I do believe I'll try it on elk next year.
     
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    Hit the small gun shops in your area for 30-40 loaded ammo and make your own brass. There are at lest two shops here in northern Colorado that stock 30-40 as I have bought it to supply brass for my 1898 Springfield rifle.
     
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    I saw at least two tables at a local gun show about three weeks ago that had 30-40 brass. I have quite a bit for my old Krag, really should break it out and shoot it again soon.
     
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    Great post loose noose,
    But now you got me a hankering to drag out my old 1898 Krag and get on down to the range. Never really shot it all that much-----until now!
    Thanks
     
  23. loose noose

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    Your quite welcome there Cat Pop, I'm really anxious to get my dies so I can, load those cartridges I got, and get out and test fire it. Like I already mentioned I did order a box of live ammo from Able's. Whichever comes first the rounds or the dies. As previously mentioned I do have some 173 grain cast bullets with a gas check that, I made about 2-3 years ago, as well as some 150 grain Sierra Spitzer bullets all in .308 diameter. I've got plenty of H335, IMR 4350, and IMR 4031, so I should be pretty well stocked as far as bullets and powder is concerned. I do plan on getting some Barnes 220 grain bullets here shortly.
     
  24. Coltdriver

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    That is a good looking number 3. I traded a signature Colt Walker for a #3 in 45 70. I did not even fire it. Traded that for a #3 in .223 and learned reloading with it.

    You might be able to have the rifle rechambered since you have a .30 caliber barrel, wonder what the twist is? The #3 is the same falling block as the #1 and it is strong.

    But if you do have it rechambered you must find a smith who really knows the single shot Rugers. There is a cut in the side of the barrel that has to be perfect and it all has to line up when the barrel torque is set.

    Still a 220 grain bullet at 2200 fps is a potent round. And the single shot Rugers are perfect for tuning a round to.
     
  25. loose noose

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    Colt Driver, I'm not going to have that No.3 tampered with, the 30-40 cartridge from what I've read here is definitely a God send. That 220 grain round will deliver enough energy to knock any bull elk down out to 150 or so yards. BTW that is my farthest shot using the .270 as well as a 30-06, and never needed a follow up shot.
     
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