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Ruger SR-556 as first AR?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by gadgetguy1288, Jul 15, 2009.

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  1. gadgetguy1288

    gadgetguy1288 Member

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    Im fixing to get my tax refund(finally) and Ive got some extra cash laying around right now as well that Ive been saving for an AR anyways.

    I was looking at the S&W M&P15T(Im wanting an AR thats a flattop, no fixed front sight, and I want a quad rail), when I came across the mention of the Ruger, and after doing some research online I think I like the Ruger more.

    What do you guys think? Which would you get?
     
  2. chrissmallwood

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    Me personally I would get the Ruger. You get alot of gun for the money with it.
     
  3. Big_E

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    Well depends on what your budget is. The only review I have seen for the Ruger 556 was from Guns and Ammo so I took that with a grain or two of salt.

    The Ruger retails at about $2K i think. The S&W which i think is considered one of the best bang for buck model can be had around $800. Although the gas-piston system will keep the AR cleaner and keep the bolt cool, a DI AR will still be very reliable if you keep it clean... which anyone should do with every gun.

    Until more people have had hands on with the Ruger around here I would stick with the S&W. I have shot a Mini 14 and Mini 30 and was not impressed and a little disappointed. Ruger has also had a series of recalls lately so that is a thing to consider.
     
  4. C-grunt

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    I handled the Ruger at the NRA show here in Phx a few months ago and was fairly impressed. As a first AR you could definitely do worse. But I havent heard of anyone who actually owns one yet, so who knows how reliable or accurate it is.

    A Colt 6940 fits the bill for what you want and should be cheaper than the Ruger. Plus its a Colt so it will have a good resale if you end up not liking it. A few guys on my squad got in on a group deal for some 6940s and they really like them. They shoot good, even with cheap Wolf ammo and none of them have had a malfunction yet. My only gripe with it is the rear back up iron sights they have. Im not a fan of them as they feel kinda flimsy. We had an earlier version of them in the Army back in 2003/2004 that broke a lot. But its a easy fix for ya.
     
  5. stubbicatt

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    I personally think, that for a semi automatic rifle, which is not capable of magazine dumps, that the benefits of the gas piston are dubious at best.

    My prairie dog hunting companion has a DI Bushmaster varmint AR15. He has no issues with that rifle, it has never jammed on him. The bolt and bolt carrier do get dirty, but they are relatively easy to get clean again.

    Unless you see yourself pouring gobs of ammo out the barrel at a high rate, and you might see yourself exactly this way, I think you can purchase a very good AR15 for quite a bit less.

    Myself, I'm sort of a Ruger fan. But if I were to buy a 223 rifle these days I believe mine would be a Mini 14. I just like the more traditional lines, and the rock-in magazines. I guess they are just about the same, accuracy wise, as a standard AR15.
     
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  6. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    Why? For a little more than half that, you can get a true AR, not a quasi-"AR" that is lighter and just as good, and probably more accurate.

    That's good advice. Or the S&W. Or any other # of top quality makers (Noveske, DD, Sabre, CMMG, etc.)
     
  7. Charger442

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    I could not disagree more. My experiences with a Ruger Mini-14 many years ago are what prodded me to buying and getting into ARs shortly after selling that Ruger. The only reason i wish i still had my Mini14 was so that i could have sold it during the panic buying this last fall and winter and doubled my money.

    In my opinion, it was a gun that was not very accurate, unless you think getting a 4 inch group at 50 yards as being accurate. I tried to love the mini-14 as i am also a Ruger fan, but i just cant. i think its a gun that is easily recognized as an "assault weapon" and has that cool factor thing on TV shows (see A-team, Fall Guy, Simon and Simon, probably Miami Vice too). The long blow-back make unnecessary recoil (its a 223!) and follow-up shots are tough to achieve rapidly.

    If you like to go out and shoot from the hip, and unload mag after mag without really caring what kind of accuracy you are getting, then maybe its the gun for you. But i will take any, and i mean ANY low end, worst shooting AR over the best Mini-14 you could bring to the table, any day of the week.

    Just my .02
     
  8. jhco

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    Something like the Ruger AR should be waited on until it has passed the test of time 6-12 months IMO as it is a new undertaking for Ruger and lately they have had a bad reputation for screwing new designs up.
     
  9. freakshow10mm

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    I agree. Never buy the first of something and sure as hell not a Ruger. Their track record lately is a joke.
     
  10. jackdanson

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    Yeah, I agree. Ruger is notorious for releasing recalls of new products and new products having problems. Although I will say that it's nice to see a mfg man up and fix mistakes. Still, I'd give it a year if I was getting a 556... plus the price should go down a bit by then. The sr556 is meant to retail for 1500, which means it should be selling in stores for 1250.
     
  11. CoRoMo

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    I won't tell you to save up a little more and buy something else, because I hate responses like that. Many, if not most, AR enthusiasts tend to be mil-spec and direct impingement fundamentalists, and I completely understand that as I have a preference to high quality too.

    However, between the two...

    The M&P15T is a good M4 to begin with. You would be very happy with it and the differences between it and the LMT CQB16 will likely not be of great importance to you. If those differences ever become important, buy one of the top tier rifles but keep the M&P.:)

    The Ruger is still sort of "untested" since it hasn't spent years in use by guys like you and I, but I'm sure you probably realize that. I haven't seen anyone delve deep into the features of this gun, but eventually we'll know all there is to know about it. From all initial accounts, that I've heard, I'd think you would be thrilled to have this rifle too, and again, any lack of mil-spec features isn't going to make a huge difference in the eyes of a shooter new to the AR pool.

    You certainly have chosen two fine rifles to start out an AR collection with, meaning, you could start out with a much cheaper rifle that you eventually might regret buying. I'm not new to the AR waters, and I tend to like these two models, but I don't own either. I have been planning to buy an M4 for my wife for a long time now, and I began with the M&P as my choice. It is a solid gun that doesn't cost two grand and will work fine for her with the uses she'll put it to. I might actually end up buying her a Colt, but it wouldn't really be her's if I do. :D

    Then came along the SR-556 and my plans for her rifle changed to that gun. If all things being equal between the two rifles (I have no idea if they are), I'll definitely buy the Ruger when the time comes to buy her the rifle, simply because I've been a fan of Ruger and gas piston M4s. At this gun's price, it is a good choice IMHO to get into the gas piston design seeing that the others are so dang expensive. Members have found this gun in the $1,400 range FYI.
     
  12. RP88

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    any AR that you've heard of is a good starter, since they will hold value and have reputable quality. Just remember that quality goes up with price. With reputable AR dealers, you DO get what you pay for.

    Another idea is to look into getting a Del-Ton kit if you're on a real budget. That way, you'll have to assemble it, which is IMO something every semi-serious AR owner or above should become well-versed in. You will also save a good deal of money should ARs not be for you; although I sold mine, I would not hesitate to get another one from Del-Ton. For about $700, you can get a real nice gun that you can learn on (not a serious duty rifle, but a very tough plinker).

    If you do a lot of research, you can also skip the beginner gun and jump into building your own (err...building = buying parts and putting it together yourself. For example: buttstock kit + stripped lower + lower parts kit + order-customized upper + 30 minutes putting it all together = you 'built' your own AR). You'll save about 20-25% worth of money and you'll have a rifle the exact way YOU wanted it.

    I'd pass on a Ruger. A lot of its cost comes from the GP system, the rails and handguards, and other expensive aftermarket goodies that make you wonder how much of the price is for the actual craftmanship of the rifle. IMO, not worth it, especially since there is no general consensus on it yet.
     
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    I could not be happier with my Del-ton kit. For a range gun and something to grab when i'm out on the 4wheeler its perfect. I have less than $700 in the gun and it has been 100% reliable through about 700 rounds. Good idea for a first AR.
     
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    Bushmaster xm15e2s, ORC. MOA rifle. mine was less than 800.00 bought spring before last. Would not trade it for anything. There was a review in Small Arms Review of the Bushmaster plant a couple years ago, and after seeing those hard working folks building those rifles I knew I had to get one.
     
  15. KBintheSLC

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    The Ruger is on my list for my first AR... finally, the reliability/durability of my AK with the weight, ergonomics and ability to customize of an AR. They tried to do it with the Sig 556, but the rifle was a bit heavy and lacked AR parts compatibility. They tried to do it with the FNH SCAR, but the $3000 price tag makes me gag. I think Ruger has finally made a piston AR for the rest of us.

    Can't wait to get one. Can't wait for the SR 308... or the SR 6.8
     
  16. gadgetguy1288

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    what do you guys think of SOG armory?

    Search didnt come up with much
     
  17. GTSteve03

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    If you want a gas piston AR, get the LMT MRP Piston rifle.

    If you want to get a DI AR, S&W, Colt, LMT and Noveske are good choices.
     
  18. ugaarguy

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    First, throwing a piston in there doesn't eliminate the close clearances and daisy head bolt. Second, long term reliability and durability are still to be determined.
    Have you handled an SR-556 yet? I have, and they're very heavy - very front heavy in particular. It's a 16" carbine that weighs the same as a 20" A2 heavy barrel.

    I'm interested to see how the SR-556 holds up, but right now it's unproven. Known high quality AR-15s with the same, better, or similar features can be had for the same or less money. Namely, LMT's CQB MRP Defender Piston model gives you a piston operated AR with monolithic rail, quick change barrel capability, LMT front & rear BUIS, and SOPMOD stock has the exact same MSRP as the Ruger.
     
  19. SHvar

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    Depends, Im told that the SR556 is front heavy but cant tell you if it is or not. I do have a Bushmaster GP rifle which is a Bushy rifle with POF design by license, its not front heavy, in fact its only .2 lbs (3.2 ounces) more than a standard M4.
    If you want the GP rifle of your choice check them out, look them over close. For the price POF cannot be beat for what they offer.
    I have heard that the SR556 sells in some places for $1420-$1590.
     
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    Oh they are front heavy for sure. Probably because of the piston and the adjustable gas block thingy (technical term).
     
  21. gadgetguy1288

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    Well.... I decided

    Im gonna go with the M&P15T, and a few Magpul Mods(gonna upgrade to the MBUS sights, and a MIAD grip), PMAGs(I like the look and Ive heard loads of great things about em, and an eotech clone and magnifier, if I can find one I like.

    Also looking to get a .22 conversion. but had another question:

    will the CMMG bolt conversion kit work with the M&P15T, and if so how easy is it to change out? How much do extra mags run for it? Are there any companies that make a similar kit?

    Thanks again guys for the help!


    (this is getting expensive already :p)
     
  22. ThePunisher'sArmory

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    Get a bushmaster they are half the price and reliable. Just as everyone mentioned keep it clean! I got this one, "pre Obama" for $780 used and is a hoot to shoot, and still fairly accurate. (needs a new barrel) I saw a flat top upper w/fixed sight gas block and adjustable stock for $880 new at a gun show so prices are coming down. Pick yours up today:D
     
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    looks like i posted too late, oh well for your second AR get a bushy!
     
  24. Guns and more

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    Ruger=$2000 vs. LMT=$2000. I vote LMT every time.
     
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    I know it's your money, and you spend it however you like, but, may I ask, how did you come up with this conclusion, for a brand new and unproven gun?
     
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