Run on ammunition:

[Potatohead]

7mm

Hey thats true i see 7 mm EVERY time i go to walmart to ck ammo (and thats everyday) whats up w that? I guess it could be the same boxes just sitting there LOL but for real, what kind of round is that? What do you shoot it from and all that?

 

[Potatohead]

No doubt on the 223. Ive actually bought so much in the last 10 days that im really not even needing any more

 

[flphotoguy]

Hey thats true i see 7 mm EVERY time i go to walmart to ck ammo (and thats everyday) whats up w that? I guess it could be the same boxes just sitting there LOL but for real, what kind of round is that? What do you shoot it from and all that?

My local Walmart has had ONLY 7mm plus 12 and 20 gauge shotgun ammo recently but today they had 4 boxes of .380. I was surprised and took home three (max purchase allowed) for my P3AT. The clerk said he was surprised to see that ammo because it hasn't been in stock for weeks.

 

[Oklacoyotekiller]

My 7mag is a 66 rem 700, stainless heart barrel, weaver v9.

 

[CLP]

Run on ammunition:

There has been several shootings over the years and not one of them has had this type of effect on gun and ammunition sales.

So why this one and not the others.

Because this one is being exploited...

 

[Potatohead]

thx coyote i'll ck that one out

 

[Bruno2]

Somebody needs to make an AR7MM.

 

[Oklacoyotekiller]

They make a 7mmx45. 223 necked up

 

[bayesian]

If you check 'gunbot.net', you'll see the in stock lists and price per rounds. I've been watching the prices on 9mm, and what you see is that the price per round will be ... say 92 cents for the places in stock, then you'll see a couple of places at 80 cents, then they sell out. A week later, a couple of places have it at 80 cents per round, but still in stock.

About 10 days ago, a couple of places were coming in at 72 cents, and sold out. A couple days later, 72 cents was back and holding (not selling out). Go back today, 5 or 6 places with 72 cents, so you'll probably see another drop coming, maybe to 66 cents.

It has been interesting to watch and it is clear that supply is slowly chipping away at demand.

Interestingly, also on armslist, i'm starting to see alot more listings for blocks of ammo. I suspect that the sellers see the price coming down and are hoping to unload some stock before it drops further.

 

[bayesian]

Then as I'm typing the above reply, at 52 cents per round price pops up. This will sell out but I suspect that this will be back in a week probably without selling out...

 

[r1derbike]

M2Carbine, you are truly a gentleman and a scholar, not to mention a helluva nice guy. Kudos!

I'm still waiting on some .38 special target ammo for my wife, ordered online. supposedly in stock. Called around, the closest a GS has some is about 39 miles away.

Has been 4 days with no word yet, but I bet they are swamped and behind getting stuff out the door.

Shooting much less here, LGS where I shoot has no guns or ammo. Their cases and cabinets are bare.

Wondering how close these guns stores are to declaring bankruptcy, because they can't get product.

 

[hso]

There was a pallet load of 9mm Blazer Brass 350ct at Gander this weekend, but still no .22lr.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

I saw A box of CCI .22 in a pawn shop yesterday, 50 rounds 25.00$

 

[sixgunner455]

The 7mm in my Wally World is 7mm Remington Magnum. It is a big cased, high pressure and high velocity hunting rifle round, capable of taking anything in North America handily, and probably capable of taking anything in the world under the right conditions. Capabilities are on par with/slightly better than the .30-06.

I am tempted to buy one, just because of the availability of rounds. At my local WM, 7mm Rem Mag, .270 Win, .300 Win Mag are almost always on the shelf. .243 is there some days/weeks, as well as some other hunting calibers, but most of the time, that's it, except for right after the truck gets unloaded.

I haven't bought one because I reload. I have components enough to get me through the year for all the calibers I shoot, if I am prudent about how I consume it. I can have my kids out shooting their hunting rifles, practicing with .22lr, and shoot some centerfire pistol, probably every month, through this fall's hunting season, without buying anything else all year.

But I'd jump on a couple pounds of the right powder with both feet.

 

[Potatohead]

i too have seen the 270 and 300 almost everytime in wally , 6 gunner. evidently, most of you hunters reload and dont need to buy any because it sure is always there... My wife has taken me out of the ammo market for awhile!! probably a good thing

 

[justice06rr]

I wonder how many remember 2008.

This has happened before and it will happen again; the same MO will be followed.

In 2008 it was about 8 months before everything really returned to "normal". Based on that, I would expect normal availability of most stuff in free states to return sometime around the fall timeframe. AR stuff is already pretty much back. Ammo and components was the last to return in 2009 and I don't see any reason to expect something different this time.

What we have is a market bubble driven by emotion and unrealistic expectations. What happens to all bubbles? They pop.

End of 2009 to 2012 saw the cheapest AR prices I ever recall seeing. Everyone bought them for up to $3000 in the election rush, then inevitably the demand fell off, and the market and prices bottomed. That isn't good for the industry either. As someone mentioned, sure they are loving it now with the rush, but they can't increase capital investment in greater production capacity, because they will be left holding the bag when the demand inevitably pops. They have to maintain production at a relatively low level to at least try to avoid "feast or famine" roller coaster.

Bottom line, we are our own worst enemy.

I would say that not many may remember 2008. Add to that all the new shooters and gun owners within the last year or 2 that have no clue about the last shortage.

In my area ammo is slowly coming in but still with limits, usually 3-boxes max. Prices are still normal in big-box stores like Walmart or Dick's. the problem is getting there early enough to grab what little ammo they have. Usually Walmart will only have 10boxes of a particular caliber when I find 9mm or 7.62

 

[sixgunner455]

colonel kernel, most hunters either reload or they don't shoot very much.

The ammo is freaking expensive under normal conditions. Reloading makes it affordable to actually shoot.

 

[nelsonal]

Here's why there's a run on ammo. NRA estimates 10 billion rounds are made annually for the domestic market. And it's an oft cited statement that there are 300 million guns in the US (and that was before the recent boom).

Simple division means that there are 33 rounds (less than a 50 round box) produced per gun per year! If everyone who owned a gun wanted to shoot or store a single box of ammo, based on those figures, it would take almost two years!

That's why ammo is impossible to find, lots of gun owners who normally don't shoot their guns, all decided they needed a stockpile of ammo after Sandy Hook.

 

[joeschmoe]

all decided they needed a stockpile of ammo after Sandy Hook

Everyone DOES need a stockpile. Just many didn't realize it until after the run on ammo began. I hope everyone has learned to keep a large stockpile of ammo on hand from now on. You don't buy toilet paper 20 sheets at a time either. You buy packs of large rolls to last a while. When it's on sale you might even pick up 2 or 3 large packs.
I recommend you keep at least 1000 rds of your main rifle and pistol in reserve (in case of emergency only) in addition to normal stocks that get used up.
That way when these MINOR interruptions of supply/demand occur you don't need to panic.

 

[guitarguy314]

I wish it were only those calibers, i can't find 45 colt or 45-70 in my academy.

 

[nelsonal]

Based on those numbers, many people buying probably normally shoot rarely (likely less than once every two years). If 10% of the guns out there were getting a box a month that's the entire production! I'd guess that in normal times that's much more likely to be what happens 30million guns shoot most of the ammo produced, and 270 million sit in safes, closets and nightstands getting shot once every several years. Suddenly there's an reason for a portion of that 270 million coming out of the woodwork (even 60-90 million of them) and there's far too little ammo produced to meet the demand.

 

[12many]

It is important to distinuish between demand to buy and store and demand to buy and shoot it. I would offer up that much of this demand is for buy and store and not buy and shoot.

Is there more shooting going on in your parts of the world, or just more buying and storing?

Using toilet paper analogy, I know I need it, I know I will continue to use it, but I don't need a thousands of rolls filling up every room of my house. Under no situation proposed or imagined are companies going to stop making toilet paper or ammo.

 

[joeschmoe]

A couple of thousand extra rounds won't fill up every room in your house. Last year people with more than one or two thousand were considered by many to be "paranoid". Now we are maligned as "hoarders". By next year we will probably be considered "wise". Everyone crying about ammo now would be much calmer if they had 2k rounds and 5k of primers in their closet. Get some and next time you won't have to cry either.

I distinctly remember not being able to buy either toilet paper or ammo just before or after several natural and man made disasters. That is why I keep plenty of both on hand. BTW, old phone books make good back ups for one of those two needs. The other cannot be improvised.

I also keep a fire extinguisher and first aid kit. Even though I don't plan on hurting myself or setting my house on fire.

 

[12many]

I have lots of ammo and no one is crying Joe.

I still bet most of ammo being sold is not being shot, just talked about and looked at. Nothing wrong with that. I have not bought ammo since this whole thing started.

Any range reports from anyone from all this ammo being shot up?

I am thinking about selling my guns and just collecting ammo.

 

[joeschmoe]

You should also buy, and store, more batteries than your going to use right away. You should have and EXTRA supply of batteries.
My hope is that all gun owners do stock up. Every American should have a good supply of ammo, batteries, food, water, etc.
If you live hand to mouth you will feel every little ripple in the supply chain. Buying/storing in bulk gives you some security.

People are crying about ammo on here every day. I'm not one of them.