Russian AK47 from Atlantic Arms Question:

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  1. Atlantic Firearms

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    Also we would not be suggesting the rifles or offering to back them up if we were not comofortable recomending them , we have alot of experience selling the Saiga line plus we are a distributor for the Russian American Armory .I would think this may give us a bit more exposure to a volume of these type rifles and the chance to get more feed back than just internet realted info.
     
  2. jon_in_wv

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    WHen you said the rifle in question fired 30 rounds without a bullet guide does that mean it doesn't have one or the particular one your were firing had its removed?

    Either way I'll be ordering one when my stimulas check gets here in the next few days.
     
  3. MD_Willington

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    So what exactly is guiding the bullets into the chamber?

    I'd like to see a picture of the inside of one of the receivers on the Saiga from Atlantic..


    Atlantic, please take a picture of the guts of one of those Saiga rifles and post it here.

    Thanks
     
  4. Atlantic Firearms

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    The units that we have been selling do not have one and use normal AK mags , we test fired the first unit we got in and no issues we have been selling them for several months no issues .
     
  5. jon_in_wv

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    OK. Just curious. I'm going to order one and I'll post a review so the guys on the forum can see how it works. I'm sure I'll add a bullet guide to be on the safe side but we'll try it without too and see how it goes.
     
  6. ROMAK IV

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    I wold say its a great deal! The VEPR rifles were similiarly made and cost quite a bit more. The only thing that is really cheaper would be the Romanian WASR's, and rifles assembled for Century are about the same price. If I didn't have AK's out the ying yang, I would think about getting one. I haven't bought anything direct from Atlantic, but I am still glad we have a company available that is trying to supply the kinds of firearms we want.
     
  7. MD_Willington

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    I'm not disputing that they use plain ol magazines, I just want to see how they do that....
     
  8. jon_in_wv

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    If you look on the website they also sell the regular Russian made AK47 that wasn't a conversion for about 300 bucks more. There isn't much difference between the two and they are both made at the same factory. I checked the AK47 forums and they had nothing but good things to say about Atlantic, Saigas, and the company that did the conversions. If I did the work myself I honestly don't think I would get that done much cheaper than what I'm getting from Atlantic. Even if I came a little under that price my time and effort are worth that much to me.
     
  9. nalioth

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    No, they don't.

    Russian military (in semiauto form, of course) arms are barred from import. You are looking at a fully converted Saiga.
     
  10. MD_Willington

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    Atlantic posts on the Saiga forum too as do I, Nalioth and a bunch of other guys here too...

    Most of us Saiga guys are also members on the other AK forums as well, along with Atlantic...
     
  11. jon_in_wv

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    I stand corrected nalioth. Was there no more polite way to say that? This used to be a very friendly forum. I'm not saying you were particularly rude, but short, and not particularly helping the conversation other than to point out my mistake.
    How about you expound on your statement a little and tell me what the difference is between the two. Obviously I don't know.
     
  12. nalioth

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    My apologies. I do not like seeing folks taken advantage of.

    Calling things what they are not gets my goat.

    This is a factory Saiga rifle:
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    This is what most consider a basic or standard conversion. It has had the fire control group moved back to the traditional location, and a standard Kalashnikov buttstock and pistol grip added. A bullet guide may be an option, if you choose to run the US made mags that work w/o one.
    saiga556_662.jpg

    This is a fully converted Saiga. It has all of the aforementioned tasks done, and had its barrel notched for the standard AK lower handguard retainer that has been fitted. This rifle has also had a miltary front sight block installed and the muzzle threaded to the Kalashnikov standard. It also has standard Kalashnikov furniture all the way around.
    20nch-saiga_1207.jpg

    Russia cannot export anything that looks like the bottom two rifles. They all start out like the picture at the top.
     
  13. jon_in_wv

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    AHH I see. If you look at their website it does say Russian AK103 TYPE rifle. It was me that misread it not them trying to take advantage to be perfectly fair to them. I knew we couldn't import Russian AKs anymore but that somehow escaped me when I posted earlier.

    Nice pics and thanks for the info. From what I've been able to gather from other forums the conversion done for Atlantic is a quality one and honestly is probably done for less than what it would take me to do it. I like the Saiga forearm and sight so I have no need to change that. The only thing I think I will add is a bullet guide to ensure reliability. For 550 that seems fair enough to me. I could get others but I want a Russian rifle to join my others.
     
  14. jon_in_wv

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    I ordered my AK last Thursday or Friday. I emailed Atlantic on Wednesday to see when I would expect delivery and I didn't get any answer. So far, I'm not thrilled. I'll let you guys know when it comes in.
     
  15. jackdanson

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    Yeah, keep us updated, I'm curious how it works without a bullet guide.. worse case you install one yourself or ship it back to atlantic, they seemed pretty confident.
     
  16. jon_in_wv

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    I don't think I'd ship it back. I can install a bullet guide if need be. I would just like it to come in so I can get my hands on it. I'll post pics and a range test when it comes in. We'll see if it lives up to what they claim.


    I spoke to my dealer today and she told me another customer of hers ordered an AK on May 2nd and that customers hasn't come in yet either. Both of us contacted Atlantic Arms first and they stated the weapon was in stock and would ship withing 2-3 days. This hasn't happened apparantly in either case and I find that a bit disappointing. Hopefully I will have something positive to post soon.
     
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    I just got off the phone with Blaine from Atlantic. He said he would check on the status of the order for me and shoot an email to me. He seemed like he was busy and didn't like being bothered but when I explained my situation to him he was very polite and helpful. He said he would check into it for me and he seemed like a straight up guy.
     
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  18. Atlantic Firearms

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    jon we are going to review & sort orders later today Sun and will send you a email with the status as we discussed on the phone .
     
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    Thank You. I'm looking forward to getting the weapon so I can post a review of it for the board. Maybe if all goes well we can steer some more business your way.
     
  20. jon_in_wv

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    Atlantic contacted me like they said they would. It appears the rifle they were shipping out to me had some scuffs on it so they delayed the order until they could get a replacement. They were very gracious and apologetic. It looks like it may be a week or more until my rifle comes in but thats ok. They offered some goodies to make it worth my while for waiting. Its refreshing to see a business that still takes pride in its reputation.
     
  21. bhart89

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    Have you looked at the Vector AK at AtlanticFirearms? It's in your $$ range and Vector's have a great rep.
     
  22. jon_in_wv

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    I've already ordered the Russian. I also prefer the Russian made. The Vectors are made from polish or Romanian parts? I'm not sure which. Either way I prefer an honest to goodness Russian to go with my other Russian firearms.
     
  23. JesseTX

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    Atlantic Firearms was very slow to respond to emails and were a bit short when they did but that's not a huge deal to me - just kind of annoying.

    That having been said I've heard good things about Lancaster firearms and I got a discount from Atlantic for being a member of ak47.net and they expedited my order because I was a forum member which was impressive so I'll post up an honest review when I get the rifle.
     
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  24. Atlantic Firearms

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    Jesse , yes we are short not because we want to be rude but because the 200 pls phone calls daily have been overwhelming and unfortunatley have to be short & sweet to try to stay on top of the surge & still get order shipped out , we also are racking up 300 pls emails and do our best to respond to them as fast as possible . This is all due to the election year, tax refund and the stimulus payments, it will die down in 2- 3 weeks and we will be back at a normal pace . Thank you for your order & interest in our product line.
     
  25. SSN Vet

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    here's the dilema I see for outfits like Atlantic....

    "consumers" expect L.L. Bean service....

    return for any reason, even if I damaged it...
    have 1,000 on the shelf at all times....
    24/7 customer service and zero delay on transactions/shipping.
    best selection of the best products...
    etc..

    but...

    want the absolute lowest price to be found anywhere.

    and after chewing the ear off their local gun dealers clerk for hours, handling guns and asking questions, with make an informed choice.....buying the gun from the lowest price to be had on the internet.

    No offense intended, but I see outfits like Atlantic as the lowest price to be had on the internet. They certainly have to have all their bases covered wrt. customer service and shipping and quality products....

    But they aint L.L. Bean (and they don't charge $55 for a pair of blue jeans and $85 for a pair of sandles.)

    There's a little word out there called overhead. And the outfits with the lowest prices (especially those on the internet) are the ones with the lowest overhead.

    Just look at all the Midway USA bashers out their who bitch and moan about how Midway's pricing has gone up and tell of how they are defecting to ABC Little Guy, Inc. because they cost a whole $2 less.

    The way I see it, Midway USA is the L.L. Bean of the firearms world. And you pay for that awesome inventory, customer service and same day shipping.

    A company is what it is. And imho, should be allowed to be what it is, so long as they are honest about their goods, services and lead times.
     
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