Russian?? Ballistic Knife

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I have one of these crazy things. Anyone have any info??
 
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For the least inaccurate information hop over to Bladeforums and search on it.

My understanding is that there never was a real "Russian" ballistic knife and that the whole Spetznas and Russian thing is just clever marketing by the company in FL that first made them, but then someone else will tell you that they're super duper imports (doesn't pass a ha ha test when you think about it).

Search here for discussions on them also.

Regardless, it's bad ju ju to try to sell one these days.
 
These are NOT ballistic knives ....I will show one of those below.

The US copy was backed by ads that told a total BS story... that spy knife /florida knife cooked up to sell their low grade and under built versions of the real KGB knife.

The american copy is a very low grade knife but the real russian designed spring powered knife is a excellent very well built design !Hows that for a switch >>>:eek:


ENJOY the pics of the REAL russian spring knife and PLEASE.... I would ask that they not BE RE-POSTED WITH OUT ASKING ME !! As I am one of a few in the U.S. who even has pics of these type item.THANK YOU ! :evil:



Here is the low grade common american copy.Very poorly made of thin alloy with a crap blade,also has a very loud SPROINGGG noise when fired,dangerous safety and overall a bad weapon of no use..IMO.
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Here is the real russian made and issued spring powered knife...these really work and were designed as a quiet kevlar defeating device.It very safe and The sping is QUIET , this design works great overall..all the positive things you hear as rumors about the american copy are are really about this knife.

This is REAL REASON why the law was passed as some wise & well informed person informed the right people that these were next to be imported into the US.
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Here is a 1 of the 4 versions of the REAL russian "ballistic knife" it fires a single round(some carry 4 rounds) of a very-very quiet captive piston type round ,that is sometimes loaded with a special Dissolving poison bullet.Check out the tritium sights on this anti-sentry device!

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Their is also a spike weapon kind of like the guardfather 4th generation that fires the spike out and uses industrial style .22 blanks and a captive piston concept .It will put the spike a little more than 1 inch into a concrete wall and makes very little if any noise.

Their is also a C02 powered knife that fires its blade and on and on............................
 
Bros...the mystery just got a bit deeper.

I have come across a high quality version of the cheap florida knife version.

I have good info the cheap version was a copy of this version.


ARRggg :fire: I will never figure this out and I have been working on the history of these blades for years just for fun and the BS is so deep it makes it hard to figure out the real history.


Pics on the way.....:D
 
hso said:
the least inaccurate information

This is one of those topics where abstinence and zero participation is clearly the best advice. I'm wondering if we've just created a "need" in someone's interest.

I've read the same stories on hobbyist forums that you will. Ballistic knives are illegal, felony style illegal. The law won't care if you buy one for "entertainment value only."

Additionally, none of them are safe. Have you ever seen any decent alloys come from a communist country? Do you want to take the chance with your own irreplaceable hand?

And com'n guys, are you seriously considering legal and ballistic information from a public hobbyist forum?
 
Edgeco,southord and others sold these as saitized versions... sans spring or no blade and a spring with baton or grappling hook until consumer intrest dropped off in the early 1990s.

I have only seen 1 russian version and it was the best made of all I have seen...the larger in the above link is 440c stainless not alloy.

Only the spye/florida knife version was alloy.
 
"propelled by a spring-operated mechanism"

No springs with these knives.

also any time a switchblade is sold its the same basic law,people are breaking.
 
alwilliam said:
also any time a switchblade is sold its the same basic law,people are breaking.

Not really. There really is no agency that is "the switchblade police." For all intents and purposes the old ICC would be the governing body. I used to lift weights with our area FBI Special Agent, and he told me he hadn't worked on a switchblade case in over 20 years. And he told me that over 15 years ago.

A "ballistic" knife, now you've brought the BATFE into the mix. And I doubt if that ruse of "no springs" is going to buy any mercy from them.

But let's get back to my basic position. Why would anyone want this communist POS, slapped together from spare tractor axles? This is simply a case of high risk, no reward. Where are you going to shoot it, and at what? Or you simply going to hide it under your bed with the Maxims? Bad idea, all of the way around.

We always talk about staying on the high road. What exactly is the positive aspect of this debate?
 
Sir...with all due respect,you seem to have no idea what these knives are at all.

FWIW-BATFE cares less about these knives,and your right their are no "switchbalde police" just as their are no "spring knife" police.

Their has been 1 conviction is all the years of this law being on the books and that was only because a florida streel vendor in the 1990s refused to stop selling these type of knives in a open air type market.He paid a small fine and his inventory was destroyed..by LOCAL police.

Think Bro ! its not a real "ballistic" item as say a cartridge powered item ,AS SEEN IN BELOW LINK.Now that would be of intrest of the BATFE for a few reasons...but a crazy 1980s era device thats a cross between a crossbow and a knife...I think not.

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I am thinking--I'm thinking about just how valuable the advice truly is on a public hobbyist forum. Considering there probably are tens of thousands of people who read THR or lurk, and only a small percentage seek out this knife (but it still could be hundreds of people), we have done them very little service.

Here's my point. A few weeks ago a guy asked about the operation of automatic rifles. The mods locked the thread, and it was a good idea.
 
:) I understand conversion details even if info only info is 100% LEGAL

I also understand lots of people think these knives are class 3 items they are not !

I think the confusion comes from the knives that do fire "fixed ammo"....they are all class 3 AOW items.

These knives are really nothing but a small crossbow at best.

Their law is really in the same class as "switchblades" and came from the same type of kne jerk reaction also.... should we NOT talk about auto knives also ?
 
Yes, there are some things we should be careful about. Elmer Keith did research with duplex and triplex loads. Do you really want a beginning reloader to putz around with that?

Somewhere out there is an idiot trying to buy a JATO bottle for his potato gun.
 
public hobbyist forum

Ahh, but its not a public forum, its a private forum owned by Oleg and people get to discuss whatever Oleg and the moderators allow. While most of us feel that "ballistic" knives are a very very bad idea as well as being very very illegal making the subject taboo only serves to and create novelty spun from ignorance.
 
Monkeybear, this forum maybe privately owned, but people can lurk. As for "forbidden fruit," where is the line? We have now created a market.
 
No springs with these knives.

Thanks

A "ballistic" knife, now you've brought the BATFE into the mix.

Not correct. Spring powered ballistic knives are not firearms (although I can see the confusion since the firearm "ballistic" knife was also discussed in this thread). BATFE regulations are in 18, 22, 26 and 28 USC, while switchblades are 15 USC instead. BATFE doesn't regulate spring loaded knives (although this is a common switchblade misconception).

Note for retentive thoroughness - 18 USC 1716 restricts sending switchblades through the US mail.

THR wants to be certain that we do not facilitate breaking the law. That's why the question was asked about what the restrictions were. With the absence of the spring, which most of these "knives" were sold without in their day, sale of these types of ballistic knives fell just within the legal limits (although it is easily argued that the simple addition of a spring violates US Customs regulations, but that's another long debate between the .gov and switchblade collectors).
 
As for "forbidden fruit," where is the line?

I personally feel "the line" should exist in the way the matter is discussed and not whether or not people should be allowed to discuss it. It pertains to non-firearm weapons and no one has made irresponsible remarks about their use or ownership that were not corrected. I think what you are suggesting is borderline protecting people from themselves. No body reading this thread is any less responsible for their actions than they were before.
 
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