Russian Mak went full auto, shot my hand.
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AtticusThraxx said:
AtticusThraxx is so tough, a 50 AE Desert Eagle could go full auto and all the shots would still be within 2 MOA.
Bam Bam still posts here, so maybe he can post an updated photo of his hand so that we can see what two years of healing has done.
AtticusThraxx
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I don't know Creep...tough is shooting yourself and staying upright and conscience.
Smart is not getting shot at all.
I'm smarter then I am tough. So far.
Smart is not getting shot at all.
I'm smarter then I am tough. So far.
Ack, just what I get for referencing this thread as an example of stuck firing pins: resurrection.
Here was the outcome.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=145094
Hope the hand is doing OK BamBam-31.
jm
Here was the outcome.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=145094
Hope the hand is doing OK BamBam-31.
jm
HammerBite
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It was interesting to read the insinuations of unsafe gun handling in this thread. I did a little experiment.
I held a pistol in my strong hand with the heel of my weak hand pushing up hard on the base of the magazine, as if I had just slammed it in. I then jerked the gun back a bit and rotated the muzzle up, as if it had suddenly gone full auto. My weak hand immediately slipped off the gun and flew up in front of the muzzle! I can very well see the incident happening exactly the way Bam Bam described, and I don't see how he could have done a thing about it.
I held a pistol in my strong hand with the heel of my weak hand pushing up hard on the base of the magazine, as if I had just slammed it in. I then jerked the gun back a bit and rotated the muzzle up, as if it had suddenly gone full auto. My weak hand immediately slipped off the gun and flew up in front of the muzzle! I can very well see the incident happening exactly the way Bam Bam described, and I don't see how he could have done a thing about it.
AtticusThraxx
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OK Hammer I'll bite! First off, yes it's possible to come up with a scenario where the Four Rules may not prevent an accident. May very well be that Bam ran into that. Reading his posts seeems like he has a good grip on things.No pun intended.
However let me humbly make these points:
1. I was taught to treat releasing a slide, chambering a round just like it was going to fire. I thank my dad for that.
2. Had the weapon been properly cleaned and inspected the odds of this happening would have been greatly reduced.Again, thanks dad.
3. The very fact that Bam shot himself under any circumstances on a range leads one way past insinuating.
Look I'm far from perfect and have done dumb things, no doubt. But this definately could have been avoided.
Now that I've talked all this stuff, guess where my Makarov is ? Stripped, on the bench and about to get a cleaning like you've never seen!
Good news is Bam is ok, and we all get a reminder about gun safety.
However let me humbly make these points:
1. I was taught to treat releasing a slide, chambering a round just like it was going to fire. I thank my dad for that.
2. Had the weapon been properly cleaned and inspected the odds of this happening would have been greatly reduced.Again, thanks dad.
3. The very fact that Bam shot himself under any circumstances on a range leads one way past insinuating.
Look I'm far from perfect and have done dumb things, no doubt. But this definately could have been avoided.
Now that I've talked all this stuff, guess where my Makarov is ? Stripped, on the bench and about to get a cleaning like you've never seen!
Good news is Bam is ok, and we all get a reminder about gun safety.
Holy Lazarus, Batman! 
Hand's doing dandy, thanks. In fact, aside from the so-so scar (not quite as gnarly as I thought it'd be), the hand's 100%. Strength is all there and then some. My slap shot is actually harder now, go figure. ROM is prolly right around 95% or more. There's a line that goes across my right palm that the tip of my right thumb can bend about 1/4" past. My left thumb just points right at it. Big whoop. Actually, when I sit back and think on it, I'm astounded by how lucky I was, all things considered.
I can understand why some would think my accident was a result of unsafe gun handling. Again, it wasn't, but it doesn't piss me off as much as it initially did. It's such a freaky thing, gun going full auto in that position, it's hard for most people (including me!) to understand it all. I think HammerBite pretty much nailed it, though. Judging from the angle of the wound channel, my hand was pretty flat when it got hit. Like it'd be if your hand slipped off while slamming in a mag.
If anything, it's more a cautionary tale on cleaning your guns. IIRC, I only sprayed a bit of brake cleaner in the firing pin channel and wiped quickly with a Q-tip. Since the Q-tip came out looking clean, I assumed I was done and all the cosmo was out. Wrong. I still remember the brownish waxy piece of something my smith pulled out of the gun. Sheesh.
Anyways, I'm shooting more than ever now, and the collection's...well, it's grown some.
Hand's doing dandy, thanks. In fact, aside from the so-so scar (not quite as gnarly as I thought it'd be), the hand's 100%. Strength is all there and then some. My slap shot is actually harder now, go figure. ROM is prolly right around 95% or more. There's a line that goes across my right palm that the tip of my right thumb can bend about 1/4" past. My left thumb just points right at it. Big whoop. Actually, when I sit back and think on it, I'm astounded by how lucky I was, all things considered.
I can understand why some would think my accident was a result of unsafe gun handling. Again, it wasn't, but it doesn't piss me off as much as it initially did. It's such a freaky thing, gun going full auto in that position, it's hard for most people (including me!) to understand it all. I think HammerBite pretty much nailed it, though. Judging from the angle of the wound channel, my hand was pretty flat when it got hit. Like it'd be if your hand slipped off while slamming in a mag.
If anything, it's more a cautionary tale on cleaning your guns. IIRC, I only sprayed a bit of brake cleaner in the firing pin channel and wiped quickly with a Q-tip. Since the Q-tip came out looking clean, I assumed I was done and all the cosmo was out. Wrong. I still remember the brownish waxy piece of something my smith pulled out of the gun. Sheesh.
Anyways, I'm shooting more than ever now, and the collection's...well, it's grown some.
yesit'sloaded
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Do you still have the Makarov that did the deed? (I know the gun didn't "do" anything but you know what I mean)
Harley Quinn
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Hi,
You mentioned the town of Azusa, I know of that town in CA. if that is it must have been an ok shoot, or else you would have never gotten it back.
Lucky you.
HQ
You mentioned the town of Azusa, I know of that town in CA. if that is it must have been an ok shoot, or else you would have never gotten it back.
Lucky you.
HQ
Sheldon
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First off, glad to hear you're ok. Had that happen to a friend here at work who took out his milsurp pistol and had it go full auto too. It was a Swedish pistol of some sort that shot the 38 auto. He was shooting 38 Super thru it even after I told him he shouldn't. He also shot his hand and nearly took his pinky off. Luckily he didn't hit any of the other guys there with him.
silverlance
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Bam, I'm glad I read this thread.
After reading this thread, I took out my bulgarian mak, made sure both magazine and chamber were empty, and then locked the slide back. I then inserted a magazine and tried to slam the bottom to make the slide drop. It did not.
Then I removed the magazine and gave the gun a good thump to the mag well again. SCHALCK! I repeated this five times, with five slide slams. The gun is in fine condition, excellent actually.
Tomorrow I will be detail stripping the gun down, and checking to make damn sure that the FP channel is clear. Over the next month, I plan to strip each gun I have (and this will be quite a task as I have well over 60) and do the same process - detail strip down to the itty bitty parts and clean thoroughly, whilst checking for worn parts.
After reading this thread, I took out my bulgarian mak, made sure both magazine and chamber were empty, and then locked the slide back. I then inserted a magazine and tried to slam the bottom to make the slide drop. It did not.
Then I removed the magazine and gave the gun a good thump to the mag well again. SCHALCK! I repeated this five times, with five slide slams. The gun is in fine condition, excellent actually.
Tomorrow I will be detail stripping the gun down, and checking to make damn sure that the FP channel is clear. Over the next month, I plan to strip each gun I have (and this will be quite a task as I have well over 60) and do the same process - detail strip down to the itty bitty parts and clean thoroughly, whilst checking for worn parts.
plexreticle
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Glad you didn't shoot someone else.
vis-à-vis
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I think I've missed it. What was the final cause of the full auto mak determined to be once you got the gun back. You haven't posted on it. Did you take it to a smith?
Firing pin was stuck forward in firing position. Smith said it was cosmoline. Slide lock didn't look too worn, either. I've since learned that Maks have a tendency to slam shut on loaded mags, so you're supposed to load them with slides forward, then rack.
One of Many
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There is a simple way to determine when the firing-pin channel needs cleaning. There is no firing-pin spring , so the firing pin is free to move in the channel. Unload the Makarov, and hold it near your ear while shaking it back and forth; if you hear the firing-pin rattle then it is working properly.
If you do NOT hear the noise of the firing-pin moving, it is time to remove the safety, slip the firing-pin out, and scrub the crud out of the channel. The rest of the gun does not need to be disassembled in order to do this. It takes only a second or two to remove the firing-pin. A small cotton tipped swab and some solvent will work to remove powder fouling and lacquer buildup due to shooting imported ammo.
First time removal of cosmolene may require wrapping a bit of steel-wool around a very small screwdriver to scrape the dried gunk loose; after that initial cleaning, a bit of solvent and a swab should be all that is needed.
If you do NOT hear the noise of the firing-pin moving, it is time to remove the safety, slip the firing-pin out, and scrub the crud out of the channel. The rest of the gun does not need to be disassembled in order to do this. It takes only a second or two to remove the firing-pin. A small cotton tipped swab and some solvent will work to remove powder fouling and lacquer buildup due to shooting imported ammo.
First time removal of cosmolene may require wrapping a bit of steel-wool around a very small screwdriver to scrape the dried gunk loose; after that initial cleaning, a bit of solvent and a swab should be all that is needed.
Kimber1911_06238
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Good thing you were following the 4 rules of safety, otherwise it could have been much worse. Glad you're ok now
K-Romulus
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#1 - I'm glad things turned out as well for you as they did. Very lucky to have a gun malfunction and not lose something permanently (tissue, function, eyesight, etc.)
#2 - This part shows that nothing is wrong with you:
It shows that you are now acutely aware of the violent BS that (anti-gun-owner) Hollywood churns out as "entertainment" to be fed to the masses. You know the real deal when it comes to guns and gunshot wounds. It is a traumatic, life-changing event to shoot a person, even yourself, and witness the damage done by the slugs.
#2 - This part shows that nothing is wrong with you:
It shows that you are now acutely aware of the violent BS that (anti-gun-owner) Hollywood churns out as "entertainment" to be fed to the masses. You know the real deal when it comes to guns and gunshot wounds. It is a traumatic, life-changing event to shoot a person, even yourself, and witness the damage done by the slugs.
Cannonball888
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Bam-Bam,
I'm glad you're allright. But tell us how your hand eneded up in front of the muzzle. Inquiring minds need to know.
I'm glad you're allright. But tell us how your hand eneded up in front of the muzzle. Inquiring minds need to know.
Jamie C.
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Wouldn't think it would take a rocket scientist to work that one out:
Hand supporting gun pushes down toward weak hand, which is pushing up, palm flat, loading mag.
Gun fires unexpectedly, recoils up and back.
Pressure is still on both hands, since the time period for the recoil reaction is so short. The tension on the muscles of each arm bring the gun back down while moving the weak hand up slightly.
Gun ends up slightly behind weak hand with muzzle lined up with palm. Second round then fires. ( Guess we know which round out of 5 got Bam's paw now, don't we? )
By round no. 3 the brain is starting to catch up and the hands are no longer being brought together. Impact from the bullet striking has probably moved the weak hand off line from the muzzle's path any way.
Make sense?
J.C.
the naked prophet
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So... it's probably too late to call dibs on that Bulgarian Mak you were planning to sell?
benEzra
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That's not PTSD, that's normal. Those are hard movies to watch for me, and I've never been shot.
Fascinating, yes. Inspiring, yes. Scary, yes. Exciting in a positive sense, no.
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