Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

S.649 Live Debate Thread - CSPAN2

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Bartholomew Roberts, Apr 11, 2013.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. jbrown50

    jbrown50 Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2005
    Messages:
    617
    Location:
    DC
    56 YEA - 44 NAY. Burr amendment fails
     
  2. AlexanderA
    • Contributing Member

    AlexanderA Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2011
    Messages:
    3,259
    Location:
    Virginia
    They're now voting on the Lautenberg hi-cap magazine ban. Expected to fail as well.
     
  3. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    14,613
    Location:
    Texas
    Some retard says "high capacity" magazines used in half of crimes since 1982... Maybe because what you are calling "high capacity" is the magazine the firearm was originally designed to use?
     
  4. Inebriated

    Inebriated Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2011
    Messages:
    3,683
    Location:
    NC
    You tell 'em, guy from Ohio.
     
  5. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    14,613
    Location:
    Texas
    Looks like Reid may pull S.649 with no final vote tomorrow. The bill will just sit on the legislative calendar to await return.
     
  6. jbrown50

    jbrown50 Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2005
    Messages:
    617
    Location:
    DC
    46 YEA - 54 NAY. Lautenberg-Blumenthal amendment (high capacity magazine ban) fails.
     
  7. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    14,613
    Location:
    Texas
    Current status as of 4/18/2013 1:40 Eastern: All amendments required 60 votes to pass. The amendments to protect gun owner privacy and improve the mental health system oassed by solid majorities. The AWB and mag bans failed to achieve even 50 votes. The underlying S.649 bill is still horrible and not something we would want to pass; however it is also unlikely to pass and needs 60 votes. The Senate is going to take up judicial nominations when they return. There is still a rumor that Reid may pull the bill from the floor rather than see it die in a final vote and put it on the legislative calendar for later.

    Manchin-Toomey amendment #715. Failed 54-46

    Grassley substitute amendment consistent with the summary which is at the desk; Failed 52-48

    Leahy-Collins amendment #713 (trafficking) Failed 58-42

    Cornyn amendment #719 (conceal carry) Failed 57-43

    Feinstein amendment #711 (assault weapons/clip bans) Failed 40-60

    Burr amendment #720 (veterans/guns) Failed 56-44

    Lautenberg-Blumenthal amendment #714 (high capacity clip ban) Failed 46-54

    Barrasso amendment #717 (privacy) Passed 67-30

    Harkin-Alexander amendment relative to mental health Passed 95-2
     
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2013
  8. JFtheGR8

    JFtheGR8 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    693
    Location:
    Central Illinois
    Time to call/write our senators and either thank them for the way they voted or ask them what they were thinking. Durbin and Kirk will get the "what were you thinking" letter from me.


    Posted from Thehighroad.org App for Android
     
  9. longknife12

    longknife12 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2010
    Messages:
    551
    Location:
    colorado
    Off topic, think I'm gonna make a drink.....been a long fight!
    Dan
    ;)
     
  10. USAF_Vet

    USAF_Vet Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2011
    Messages:
    5,773
    Location:
    Hastings, Michigan
    The fight ain't over. Just this round, and the bell hasn't rung just yet.
     
  11. Twmaster

    Twmaster Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2011
    Messages:
    1,074
    Location:
    Dallas, Republic of Texas
    I'll take this win for now. Keep up the vigilance and be ready for the rest of this battle. It's obvious the losers are not going to accept defeat like good sports.
     
  12. barnbwt

    barnbwt Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2011
    Messages:
    7,121
    Christ, 39 other Sentors voted for the AWB? Not to mention that most of the amendments actually got majorities. Far from a victory, this is only a rebuff--This monster's far from put to bed. All this has shown them is they'll have to act faster next time an attacker goes off the deep end, or play around with the filibuster rules. If the Dems truly ever think they a lock on long-term power (the glorious One-Party system they've been pining after for years) don't think for a second they wouldn't muzzle filibusters.

    I'd feel much better if I believed that everyone with their name on one of these bills was getting bum-rushed out of town next year. If we actually wish to make something out of this mess, we need to keep on our reps, perhaps more than before, about the need to disband old worthless laws. Repealing Hughes probably can't happen, but de-regulating suppressors and mandating reciprocity (without Gubmint "encouragement" coercing states into setting their bar higher) of carry should be rammed right back down their throats. Just because the Prez and senate probably won't go for it is no excuse--look how long DF's been pushing her bill, and she actually got scarily close to success through shear persistence.

    Remember that only 4% of people even think this is a very important issue right now (Gallup) so any claim of victory is pure hubris.

    TCB
     
  13. Captains1911

    Captains1911 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2008
    Messages:
    1,278
    Location:
    Loudoun County, VA
    Technically it's never over, but lets admit that this was a nice victory today.
     
  14. tyeo098

    tyeo098 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2010
    Messages:
    2,060
    Location:
    The Old Dominion
    I am rather pleased with the way Sen. Warner voted on the AWB and Mag Cap amendments.

    I sent him a little congratulatory email. If he voted NAY on the big bill S649... I might just vote for him come next year. We'll see how he voes though.

    Sen Kaine... Ohhh I'm a bit cross with him.

    Contact your Senators and thank them for voting NAY on any bad amendments
    If they voted AYE on any bad amendments... give them the 3rd degree.


    If they're up for reelection... let them know you're not happy.
     
  15. tyeo098

    tyeo098 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2010
    Messages:
    2,060
    Location:
    The Old Dominion
    I'll probably get fired for watch CSPAN all day at work.

    I have school tomorrow from 12-4, right when debates start, so you guys are on your own when it comes to live thread updates.
     
  16. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    14,613
    Location:
    Texas
    They are still debating this morning; but nothing substantive happening. Just the usual mix of blood dancing, shame on you, cold dead hands, etc.
     
  17. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    14,613
    Location:
    Texas
    Voting resumes. Barrasco amendment on privacy for private gun owner info now. Passed 67-30

    Voting on bipartisan amendment (Harkins-Alexander) to improve mental health. Haven't seen the text. Mike Lee and Rand Paul just voted against it though.
     
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2013
  18. dab102999

    dab102999 Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2012
    Messages:
    473
    Barrasso admendment #717 passed 67-30...Harkin admendment mental health #630 passed 95-2...

    7 admendments down..two passed. Recess now till 2:30
     
  19. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    14,613
    Location:
    Texas
    When they come back, they are taking up judicial nominations instead of guns. Probably a slow day for gun stuff.
     
  20. bhesler

    bhesler Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    141
    Saw this posted at keepandbeararms.com today. That didn't take long.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...iring-background-checks-sale-explosive-powder

    Lautenberg is planning to introduce background checks for black powder / gunpowder, as an amendment to S.649, which is pretty much DOA, and possible as a standalone bill.

    I guess he didn't bother to research the fact that black powder is easily made from readily available chemicals.
     
  21. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    14,613
    Location:
    Texas
    Reid up. Lecturing on guns again. Says they will come back to bill.

    Stabenow - mental health
    Coburn - UBC
    Veterans issues

    Reid pulled S.649. Promises it will be back. Senate moving on to S.743 for now.
     
  22. AlexanderA
    • Contributing Member

    AlexanderA Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2011
    Messages:
    3,259
    Location:
    Virginia
    Now that the pressure is off, the Coburn so-called "UBC" plan is something that gun owners could support. After all, it's practically voluntary in its actual application. On the other hand, the gun-control crowd, after suitable reflection, could come to support it when they realize that it's either that, or nothing at all. (At least some of them could reach that conclusion.) Couple the Coburn plan with national reciprocity (which, btw, got 57 votes yesterday) and repeal of the Hughes Amendment, and this whole thing could be a net gain for gun owners.
     
  23. JRH6856

    JRH6856 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2011
    Messages:
    3,828
    Location:
    Flower Mound, TX
    Send in the Clowns? What have we been watching?
     
  24. Twmaster

    Twmaster Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2011
    Messages:
    1,074
    Location:
    Dallas, Republic of Texas
    Rocky Horror Picture Show?
     
  25. gc70

    gc70 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2004
    Messages:
    3,030
    Location:
    North Carolina
    Coburn's plan will never see a vote in the Senate. The last thing gun control advocates want is relatively comprehensive background check coverage without recordkeeping requirements.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page