S.649 Live Debate Thread - CSPAN2
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AlexanderA
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They're now voting on the Lautenberg hi-cap magazine ban. Expected to fail as well.
Bartholomew Roberts
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Some retard says "high capacity" magazines used in half of crimes since 1982... Maybe because what you are calling "high capacity" is the magazine the firearm was originally designed to use?
Inebriated
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You tell 'em, guy from Ohio.
Bartholomew Roberts
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Looks like Reid may pull S.649 with no final vote tomorrow. The bill will just sit on the legislative calendar to await return.
Bartholomew Roberts
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Current status as of 4/18/2013 1:40 Eastern: All amendments required 60 votes to pass. The amendments to protect gun owner privacy and improve the mental health system oassed by solid majorities. The AWB and mag bans failed to achieve even 50 votes. The underlying S.649 bill is still horrible and not something we would want to pass; however it is also unlikely to pass and needs 60 votes. The Senate is going to take up judicial nominations when they return. There is still a rumor that Reid may pull the bill from the floor rather than see it die in a final vote and put it on the legislative calendar for later.
Manchin-Toomey amendment #715. Failed 54-46
Grassley substitute amendment consistent with the summary which is at the desk; Failed 52-48
Leahy-Collins amendment #713 (trafficking) Failed 58-42
Cornyn amendment #719 (conceal carry) Failed 57-43
Feinstein amendment #711 (assault weapons/clip bans) Failed 40-60
Burr amendment #720 (veterans/guns) Failed 56-44
Lautenberg-Blumenthal amendment #714 (high capacity clip ban) Failed 46-54
Barrasso amendment #717 (privacy) Passed 67-30
Harkin-Alexander amendment relative to mental health Passed 95-2
Manchin-Toomey amendment #715. Failed 54-46
Grassley substitute amendment consistent with the summary which is at the desk; Failed 52-48
Leahy-Collins amendment #713 (trafficking) Failed 58-42
Cornyn amendment #719 (conceal carry) Failed 57-43
Feinstein amendment #711 (assault weapons/clip bans) Failed 40-60
Burr amendment #720 (veterans/guns) Failed 56-44
Lautenberg-Blumenthal amendment #714 (high capacity clip ban) Failed 46-54
Barrasso amendment #717 (privacy) Passed 67-30
Harkin-Alexander amendment relative to mental health Passed 95-2
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JFtheGR8
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Time to call/write our senators and either thank them for the way they voted or ask them what they were thinking. Durbin and Kirk will get the "what were you thinking" letter from me.
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longknife12
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Off topic, think I'm gonna make a drink.....been a long fight!
Dan
Dan
USAF_Vet
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The fight ain't over. Just this round, and the bell hasn't rung just yet.Off topic, think I'm gonna make a drink.....been a long fight!
Dan
Twmaster
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I'll take this win for now. Keep up the vigilance and be ready for the rest of this battle. It's obvious the losers are not going to accept defeat like good sports.
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Christ, 39 other Sentors voted for the AWB? Not to mention that most of the amendments actually got majorities. Far from a victory, this is only a rebuff--This monster's far from put to bed. All this has shown them is they'll have to act faster next time an attacker goes off the deep end, or play around with the filibuster rules. If the Dems truly ever think they a lock on long-term power (the glorious One-Party system they've been pining after for years) don't think for a second they wouldn't muzzle filibusters.
I'd feel much better if I believed that everyone with their name on one of these bills was getting bum-rushed out of town next year. If we actually wish to make something out of this mess, we need to keep on our reps, perhaps more than before, about the need to disband old worthless laws. Repealing Hughes probably can't happen, but de-regulating suppressors and mandating reciprocity (without Gubmint "encouragement" coercing states into setting their bar higher) of carry should be rammed right back down their throats. Just because the Prez and senate probably won't go for it is no excuse--look how long DF's been pushing her bill, and she actually got scarily close to success through shear persistence.
Remember that only 4% of people even think this is a very important issue right now (Gallup) so any claim of victory is pure hubris.
TCB
I'd feel much better if I believed that everyone with their name on one of these bills was getting bum-rushed out of town next year. If we actually wish to make something out of this mess, we need to keep on our reps, perhaps more than before, about the need to disband old worthless laws. Repealing Hughes probably can't happen, but de-regulating suppressors and mandating reciprocity (without Gubmint "encouragement" coercing states into setting their bar higher) of carry should be rammed right back down their throats. Just because the Prez and senate probably won't go for it is no excuse--look how long DF's been pushing her bill, and she actually got scarily close to success through shear persistence.
Remember that only 4% of people even think this is a very important issue right now (Gallup) so any claim of victory is pure hubris.
TCB
Captains1911
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Technically it's never over, but lets admit that this was a nice victory today.
tyeo098
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I am rather pleased with the way Sen. Warner voted on the AWB and Mag Cap amendments.
I sent him a little congratulatory email. If he voted NAY on the big bill S649... I might just vote for him come next year. We'll see how he voes though.
Sen Kaine... Ohhh I'm a bit cross with him.
Contact your Senators and thank them for voting NAY on any bad amendments
If they voted AYE on any bad amendments... give them the 3rd degree.
If they're up for reelection... let them know you're not happy.
I sent him a little congratulatory email. If he voted NAY on the big bill S649... I might just vote for him come next year. We'll see how he voes though.
Sen Kaine... Ohhh I'm a bit cross with him.
Contact your Senators and thank them for voting NAY on any bad amendments
If they voted AYE on any bad amendments... give them the 3rd degree.
If they're up for reelection... let them know you're not happy.
tyeo098
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I'll probably get fired for watch CSPAN all day at work.
I have school tomorrow from 12-4, right when debates start, so you guys are on your own when it comes to live thread updates.
I have school tomorrow from 12-4, right when debates start, so you guys are on your own when it comes to live thread updates.
Bartholomew Roberts
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They are still debating this morning; but nothing substantive happening. Just the usual mix of blood dancing, shame on you, cold dead hands, etc.
Bartholomew Roberts
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Voting resumes. Barrasco amendment on privacy for private gun owner info now. Passed 67-30
Voting on bipartisan amendment (Harkins-Alexander) to improve mental health. Haven't seen the text. Mike Lee and Rand Paul just voted against it though.
Voting on bipartisan amendment (Harkins-Alexander) to improve mental health. Haven't seen the text. Mike Lee and Rand Paul just voted against it though.
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Bartholomew Roberts
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When they come back, they are taking up judicial nominations instead of guns. Probably a slow day for gun stuff.
Saw this posted at keepandbeararms.com today. That didn't take long.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...iring-background-checks-sale-explosive-powder
Lautenberg is planning to introduce background checks for black powder / gunpowder, as an amendment to S.649, which is pretty much DOA, and possible as a standalone bill.
I guess he didn't bother to research the fact that black powder is easily made from readily available chemicals.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...iring-background-checks-sale-explosive-powder
Lautenberg is planning to introduce background checks for black powder / gunpowder, as an amendment to S.649, which is pretty much DOA, and possible as a standalone bill.
I guess he didn't bother to research the fact that black powder is easily made from readily available chemicals.
Bartholomew Roberts
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Reid up. Lecturing on guns again. Says they will come back to bill.
Stabenow - mental health
Coburn - UBC
Veterans issues
Reid pulled S.649. Promises it will be back. Senate moving on to S.743 for now.
Stabenow - mental health
Coburn - UBC
Veterans issues
Reid pulled S.649. Promises it will be back. Senate moving on to S.743 for now.
AlexanderA
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Now that the pressure is off, the Coburn so-called "UBC" plan is something that gun owners could support. After all, it's practically voluntary in its actual application. On the other hand, the gun-control crowd, after suitable reflection, could come to support it when they realize that it's either that, or nothing at all. (At least some of them could reach that conclusion.) Couple the Coburn plan with national reciprocity (which, btw, got 57 votes yesterday) and repeal of the Hughes Amendment, and this whole thing could be a net gain for gun owners.
JRH6856
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Send in the Clowns? What have we been watching?
Twmaster
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Rocky Horror Picture Show?
gc70
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AlexanderA said:
Coburn's plan will never see a vote in the Senate. The last thing gun control advocates want is relatively comprehensive background check coverage without recordkeeping requirements.
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