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Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Catpop, Mar 18, 2019.

  1. Enfielder

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    now that you say that, Mine were the same. Not much use for them after that and in the small can they went.
     
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  2. troy fairweather

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    i modified a #2 rcbs shellholder to use the brass, but i wonder its to hard on mauser extractors.
     
  3. Lilsnoop

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    You have to use the Sellier & Bellot primers to fit properly for their brass cases.
     
  4. Catpop

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    Ah, proprietary primers- now that’s marketing at its worst!
     
  5. jmorris

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    Not true either if they fit their cases any better, they would be too loose in all the others and that’s not the case (no pun intended):)
     
  6. Catpop

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    32102777-B470-4AAA-B92A-F2146B237E84.jpeg They say a pics worth a thousand words so here’s a pic of the three S&B cases showing flattened primers and three properly primed Federal cases.
    The cases are brass.
     
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  7. ReloaderFred

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    Not true at all. They may be snug, but domestic primers fit, and as jmorris stated, S&B primers would be loose in other primer pockets, which they are not.

    Hope this helps.

    Fred
     
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  8. Lilsnoop

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    Had a friend load with Winchester primers, which was difficult due to snug fit in S&B brass. Although he was successful in seating it to the correct depth, the primer blew back towards bolt when at the range. Luckily no damage or injury, but using their S&B primers resolved the difficulty in seating the primers or having any primer issues. I personally only use their primers for 6.5 creedmoor brass. So just sharing my experience and not to discredit anyone else's experience.
     
  9. LRDGCO

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    Weird. Almost all my 8x57 brass is S&B. Bought a fecal ton of S&B loaded ammo a few years ago and still using the brass. Never had an issue with WLR primers...
     
  10. Enfielder

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    It may have been the date of manufacture. This was bought when the ammo scare was happening. It shot and extracted fine but the rims won't fit into a shell holder. As stated above, you can modify a #2 to make it work but I can't be bothered since I have a ton of PRVI Partisan brass that fits in spec.
     
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    Howdy catpop,The S+B brass I have used in 9mm and .45 has had tight pockets.
    No issues with my Lee hand primer with CCI SPs in the 9mm, and S+P SPs seem to be the tiniest bit smaller, so no issues there.
    I think I was using WIN LP with the .45s I did.

    Run some stout loads thru them and loosen them up a bit.;)
     
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    I was gifted some old ('70ish) CCI LRPs a whole ago. They were hard in seating, even in some well used 8x57 brass. It seemed the outter rim of the cups were a bit rough, causing drag on the primer pocket walls.
    I read in Lee's Modern Reloading manual that their case lube would not effect the powder's burn. So with a cotton swab, I lubed each primer pocket with a light application. It made seating way easier and didn't have any ill effect on primer's detonation.
     
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  13. kerreckt

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    Never had any problems with S&B brass. They are one of my favorites in all calibers that I reload. Pockets can be a bit tight, but that is a good thing, as far as I am concerned. Holds up better for multiple reloadings. PPU is also good stuff. Good luck
     
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  14. NapalmMan67

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    I've not had issue with priming any S&B brass with an RCBS hand primer, LCT or 650XL.

    If anyone wants to discard any they have, PM me and I'll send my snailer to you. :D
     
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  15. Texas10mm

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    Please don't spread false information. I've used many thousands of S&B primers in all kinds of brass. I've also used all kinds of primers in S&B brass. The S&B primers are industry standard sizes. The S&B brass can have tight pockets.
     
  16. bds

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    SAAMI_primer_pockets.jpg

    +1. I am measuring S&B SP primer cup diameter same as CCI/Winchester. And S&B cases, especially newer/once-fired can have towards SAAMI minimum ID primer pockets.

    S&B cases can come in brass or brass plated steel. I check them with a magnet.

    For 9mm, while "older/loaded multiple times" S&B brass can work OK, I have found once-fired/fairly new S&B and RWS cases to have tighter primer pockets and seating slightly larger diameter metric primers like Fiocchi can be a real challenge even to seat flush (As I prefer to seat primers to .004" below flush). Often, primer cup will stick mid-way and I can't even "flatten seat" Fiocchi primers in some S&B/RWS cases.

    So I have been setting aside S&B and RWS 9mm brass to have primer pockets swaged with C-H swager along with military crimped cases. Thankfully, I am nearing the last few boxes of Fiocchi SP primers and will be switching over to S&B SP primers I bought when Cabela's was selling them for $19.99.

    As to primer cup size, I need to use a micrometer for measurement (I am debating between new Starrett or Mitutoyo to replace used Starrett micrometers I sold) but I am measuring Fiocchi SP primer slightly larger than .175" but S&B/CCI/Magtech/PMC/Winchester SP slightly less than .175" in diameter with my FA dial calipers verified with pin gages.
     
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  17. Lennyjoe

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    Most of the .45 ACP S&B brass I have also have tight primer pockets. I hit them with a reamer to u inform them before inserting a new primer.
     
  18. jmorris

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    Only steel ones I have found were 9mm, have you found any other calibers?
     
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    They are tighter; I use the old Lee hand primer and they go in OK.
     
  20. exbrit49

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    Have used S&B primers for quite a while, One of the major chains had a big sale on [email protected] primers and found them to be a little tight but no problem with the lee hand priming tools. Have used over 6000 SP and LP with no issues.
    Last year I picked up a lot of 9mm, 38spl and 45 acp S&B brass and it has all loaded just fine, Yes, maybe a little tighter than domestic but nothing to complain about. In fact being a little tighter is better for a higher reload counts. I have some 38s that have had 16 reloads and still no loose primer pockets..
     
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  21. rfwobbly

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    S&B is also one to sneak in brass-coated steel cases. Check 'em closely.
     
  22. 2011redrider

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    I'll have to check them next time before I send them from coast to coast!
     
  23. Catpop

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    Hey redrider!
    Good to hear from you!
     
  24. uncle.45

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    I have a bunch of .45acp S+B brass. They load great with Winchester primers, and have lasted many reloadings.
    Winchester might be the answer to your problems.
     
  25. uncle.45

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    I forgot to mention that I load exclusively on an SDB.
     
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