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S.C. Sheriff's Department Armored Vehicle with Belt-Fed Machine Gun

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  1. thegriz

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    Sometimes I wish I was a Sheriff. You better pay your parking tickets in Richland County!:eek:
     
  2. MakAttak

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    You know, I'm all for nice toys and all...

    but why would ANYWHERE in South Carolina need a vehicle mounted .50 cal for Law Enforcement duties!?!?!?!

    Please, anyone give me one legitimate law enforcement application.
     
  3. Claude Clay

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    ct state (storm)troopers had one on display at a air show. can ford a 4 foot river, carries a extendable 3 story ladder, turret, gun ports, suppressed muffler, enough lights for a 3 ring circus (which i think its use would result in), enough electronics to be a 'broadcast from' platform, etc etc. armored up to 50 cal and weighs IIRC 65,000 pounds. officer friendly said they NEED this to raid drug dealers and use it 6+ times a year. odd that the press never takes pics of it at a raid??
    this type of equipment, no-knock warrants, the police breaking down doors in the middle of the night--points to a sickness in how those in power view the rights of those not.
    3 things they did not use it for: arresting the Governor of our welfare state, arresting the Mayor's of Waterbury and Bridgeport.
     
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    Could be handy for serving “no knocks”. They can rake the house with the ma deuce to make sure it’s safe for those serving the warrant. :rolleyes:
     
  5. cuervo

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    Sounds a lot like reasons for CCW.
     
  6. Z-Michigan

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    There's no reason for this. What is this country turning into?

    On a related note, if you haven't already seen "Idiocracy," you need to.
     
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    yep. Do watch "idiocracy" if you haven´t.

    ( crazy stuff )
     
  8. Halo

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    The civilian police forces in this country are becoming more and more militarized, another consequence of the "war on drugs". Nowadays every backwater sheriff's department has to have an APC with officers (or should we start calling them troops?) running around in fatigues and combat boots. I know this makes the "well if you've got nothing to hide!" types gleeful, but I for one can see little good in this for the cause of personal liberty.
     
  9. Zach S

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    The first 5 minutes of that movie was the best.

    Anyway, I could see an APC for SRT, but ma duece?
     
  10. Eric F

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    Just to play the devils advocate
    Under 2a can you give a reason they cant have it? The same arguements get used against the commonerall the time. That gun isnt for hunting, no one needs a machie gun, no one needs a supressor.......as they say.

    Disclaimer: the views and opinions above do not reflect my personal opinion the devil made me do it:evil:
     
  11. macadore

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    This is absolutely unacceptable. We are not living in Iraq. The police should be put on a short leash and kept there. Who polices the police?
     
  12. MakAttak

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    Under the second amendment, I have no problem with an individual owning a .50 cal, belt-fed, vehicle mounted weapon.

    However, I have an EXTREME problem with a civilian police agency acquiring miltary weapons with no legitimate law enforcement purpose. Not only that, but they are quite obviously wasting taxpayer money for which they should be good stewards.

    But of course, the government could teach a class on how to waste money.
     
  13. Zach S

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    Well, if we want to buy a rifle that uses ammo that makes gas prices look reasonable, its on our dime.

    If the local LEOs want to play commando with their new APC and mounted M2, its also on our dime.
     
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    2A applies to individuals. To the extent that the government exists only to serve the citizenry and uses public monies, it is reasonable to question if this purchase serves that purpose.
     
  15. Fish Miner

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    What happens when they actually use the .50? Would there ever be a time where one (or even a group) of BG's, maybe in a house or a buisness, starts a gun fight- could they responsibly use that? I would think it would shread a house and really cause some civilian damage. The ricochets alone are scray to think about. Seems a little to much like a militart state using its powers to put fear into the public.

    How about one or five well trained snipers with a .50 BMG? Same results less lead downrange.....or is it all about looking cool and adding inches to your little friend?

    And the cost to keep that thing fed (I assume they will train on it?!?!?!) Pretty outlandish. I would kindly ask S.C. to remove that and send it to my FFL- I will pick it up and give it a good CIVILIAN 2a home.
     
  16. Eric F

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    The tax payer, that localities tax payers need to go to city council and demand an explination which would be none. Then they should vote out every last one of them for new leadership until they get what they want.
    well thats what I do 24 hours a day every other day, but we like to call it a career.
    I am in favor of the thinking they work for us. However I am also in favor of them being protected too. After all many police officers are just like the rest of us. They just want to live be happy and have a career, should they be put on the short end of the stick? Thats why departments developed "swat" for when pistols are not enough. When Swat is not enough its the localities obligation to contain and call for help ie call the govenor and ask for the National Guard who have the heavy weapons to deal with large problems. Clearly any 50 cal weapon is not what a local police dept needs......ever! Its not like we are in a weapons free third world country where rocket launchers ore on every other corner.

    There was a local police department that obtained a "saw" with an armored car, it was pictured on the news during a stand off next city council meeting about 40 vfw members set foot in the meeting to object. The weapon was sold the next week, and the chief of police quietly retired. That was in the early 90's.

    Its the tax payer that needs to speak up!
     
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    When AT-4 rockets are outlawed only outlaws will have them.

    But, seriously, why doesn't the press take pics of this beast?

    Oh and who do you think would win in a fight, Arnold governer of California or President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho?
     
  18. Caliban

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    oh let them have their big guns. the last thing we need is this country turning into mexico, where the police run with their tails between their legs when the drug cartels come around. if they use the thing six times a year for drug raids, i say godspeed. if they think they can squeeze it into their budget, fine; maybe you think they should've spent your tax money differently, that's a legitimate argument, but when it comes to this affecting ANY of us in any direct way, what negative consequences can you imagine? it's not going to catch you speeding, it's not going to respond to noise complaints or domestic violence calls, it's for rolling up to drug labs guarded by gang members with ak-47s.
     
  19. Eric F

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    Oh no you didn't



    Look here Caliban if they have a drug lab they can control it by cutting power and water and wait for them to come out after 3 days in a house with no utilities game over not a shot fired, or maybe a few. There is little to no need for ramming doors on a drug lab. BTW do you have any idea how hazardous a drug lab is? Its hardly the place for a Dynamic entry. Why do you thing the hazmat teams spend hours to days cleaning up a lab? Cops put their life and the lives of the neighbors at risk every time they blast into a drug lab.
     
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    Great- lets get rid of drug dens- but in a suburban area (where I would say most drug houses are) can you use that weapon safely? Can you shoot up a house and not penatrate into my back yard? What about methlabs in the middle of nowhere? Can you shoot it up and not shoot my property and house if I am a mile away? I think that in a war zone you can and should show up with the biggest and baddest stuff- but in a neighbor hood, you need surgical precision more then raw suppressing fire....
     
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    Oh man, I was just going to armor my car to withstand 7.62 NATO AP now I have to start looking for a gently used T-72. :uhoh:
     
  22. Hook686

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    I read quite often on this and similar firearm boards about folks complaining about the restrictions placed upon them in their desire for the biggest, most powerful, silent, automatic, sniper scope equipped, ... firearm they can imagine.

    Well I figure a police force is but a collection of folks. Those folks might have the same imaginations as other folks. Unfortunately the police force collective has deep pockets compared to the average folks that post here and can sometimes justify to the budget authority such a purchase. I chuckle when I read on these boards how some guy concealed, or justified, or deceived his wife in the acquisition of some sought after firearm.

    I figure folks is folks and the police folks just have a bigger financial base to please their "I wants".
     
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    All I have to say is:

    The Government should be afraid of the people....."NOT" the people should be afraid of the Government.....
     
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    Yep it's a pretty big financial base, I notice it in the withholding section of my paycheck twice a month.
     
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    An APC? Sounds fine. Safe way to approach a potentially hostile drug house and all that.

    Ma Deuce? That is insane. I seriously, can not think of a single situation right now where an M2 .50 cal machine gun would have a legit civilian law enforcement application. Is there anyone here who would want some cop opening up with that thing in your neighborhood? I think not. The potential for collateral damage is too great.

    2A has nothing to do with it. The Bill of Rights is designed to restrict government power, not add to it. BOR ensures *individual civilian* rights only.
     
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