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S&W 38 Spl Water + Denim Test

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Joshua M. Smith, Aug 10, 2007.

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  1. Joshua M. Smith

    Joshua M. Smith Member

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    Handgun: Rossi M68, 1-5/8" barrel
    Ammo: S&W 158gr +P LSWCHP

    A while back I did a bare water jug test on some old S&W "FBI load" rounds. I got back good penetration and good expansion.

    Today I set out to see what would happen when it passed through four layers of denim before entering the water.

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    The usual setup, but with four layers of denim.

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    A front view...

    Here I've been including a movie of the shot. Unfortunately I was shooting by myself today and didn't have someone to run the camera.

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    This is the front jug after the shot. Not much disruption compared to the bare jug I shot before. Hmmm...

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    The second and third jugs seem relatively unaffected. When shooting without denim, the second jug showed quite a bit of disruption - about as much as the first jug in this test.

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    As it turns out, the bullet did pass through all jugs, stopping in the fifth, making a small hole and creating a leak.

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    Here is my revolver, a dime, the fired bullet and an unfired round for reference.

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    A closer look at the bullets. Notice the fired bullet is missing quite a bit of its nose. Upon closer inspection it looks as if it was chewed away by "something."

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    And another view.

    When I went into this test I wasn't sure what the outcome would be. Modern bullets are designed to prove themselves against accepted testing protocol, but though this is an "old technology" round, I kind of expected a bit more to happen since water tends to cause cause the most bullet upset when compared to 10% gelatin and wetpack.

    While I'd like to test further, perhaps against another manufacturer of the same style bullet, I don't feel too handicapped. First, this was a short barrel. Second, I have penetration, which is a good thing. Lastly, this bullet did a bit better against four layer denim covered jugs than a 125gr +P round that I tested did against bare water jugs. Though that round expanded a bit, it didn't penetrate well.

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    Somebody will certainly come along and correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the older rounds were designed to function optimally when shot out of a four inch barrel.
    A snub has to short of a tube to develop the velocity for efficient expansion.
     
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    Joshua M. Smith,

    Once again, Excellent Report , well written and great pics

    Oh I am just eating this all up with the "old antiquated" cartridge and results.
    Danged whippersnappers. Just won't listen. :D

    denfoote,

    I betcha these rounds chrono "hotter" than what a similar offering is today.

    .38spl guns were designed to shoot 158 gr loads POA/POI.

    Now, the "word is" due to liability and marketing, some loads are downloaded from yesteryear, and the "Old standard loads" got the "+P" added.

    Put another way, the +p of today is the standard load of yesteryear.

    Ain't marketing and hype great? :p
     
  4. Joshua M. Smith

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    Hi Dennis,

    It expanded fine without the denim.

    This is going into my "to be further explored" box.

    Thanks!

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  5. the naked prophet

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    You should try the Remington version of the same load. It should expand a bit better.
     
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