S&W 438. Carbon or stainless?

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I am looking for a J frame and have an opportunity to purchase a 438 at a reasonable price. I was trying to find out some information on them but the sources I perused have conflicting information. Some state that the barrel and cylinder is made of carbon steel while others claim stainless steel.

So I am here to ask the experts. What are these aforementioned parts made of: carbon or stainless?

TIA.
 
I'm no expert but according to S&W they say that the barrel and cylinder are stainless steel with some sort of matte black finish and the frame is aluminum alloy with a black anodized finish.
 
For what its worth, I have a 442 Pro Series that is supposed to have the black stainless cylinder. It has rusted and pitted. I blame my sweat, but I'm still not convinced its actually stainless.
 
According to S&W:
The cylinder on the M442 is carbon steel with a stainless steel barrel.
Same for the M442 Pro.

The cylinder on the M437 is also carbon steel according to S&W but they don't specify what the barrel is made of. I'm fairly certain it has to be stainless.

For some reason the cylinder on the M438 is reported on the S&W site to be stainless, not carbon steel. That seems strange to me but maybe they just didn't know at the time carbon steel was stronge enough for .38 Special use.
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/archive-model-438
 
Having built guns since the 1800's, I get the impression they know all about carbon steel. At one point there were no stainless guns at all. If the 438 in question is the scandium model then it's actually an aluminum alloy with scandium included, not all scandium. Most metals used in guns are alloys, carbon steels are used as they machine readily with less tool wear than the stainless varieties and reduce costs.

Note the exact meaning of "stainless," ie, to discolor or corrode less than something else, typically carbon steel. It doesn't state stain proof, and in contact with humidity, sweat, salts, etc it can discolor and pit. It just stains less. Parts are usually dead soft, not tempered, because extensive firing would heat them up and draw it, leading to critical softening and loss of the intended strength. If they did employ that in some way it would be nice as it would take less mass to contain the cartridge under ignition, but, alas, such is not to be. Ergo, lighter alloys are marketed, which have the distinct drawback of increased recoil.

Nobody minds a light carry weight gun but after a cylinder of some hot +P they consider their ammo choices more carefully.

I've read somewhere the difference in weight scandium to aluminum is about the same as large rubber grips vs slim wooden ones. There are diminishing returns in weight savings with some choices, as noted above. Note that some sources of information over components are as dated as production, over the years S&W changes from one to another and it needs to be pinned down to that specific one.
 
For some reason the cylinder on the M438 is reported on the S&W site to be stainless, not carbon steel. That seems strange to me but maybe they just didn't know at the time carbon steel was stronge enough for .38 Special use.
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/archive-model-438

I too assume S&W knows their Metallurgy. I'd give a guess, that the stainless cylinders used in the 438s were used just as they are on my stainless hunting revolvers when used in conjunction with corrosion resistant frames and other parts. As for rusting and pitting on stainless, stainless is rust/corrosion resistant....not rust/corrosion proof. The high chromium content in Stainless forms an invisible barrier on the surface of the metal, when exposed to oxygen in the atmosphere, that resists staining and corrosion. If this layer is damaged rust is formed on the surface at the point of that damage.
 
The cylinder on the M442 is carbon steel with a stainless steel barrel.
Same for the M442 Pro.

You are correct. I could have sworn S&W said it was stainless when I bought it a couple years ago though. Maybe they did and have since corrected themselves as it certainly acts like carbon steel to me.
 
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