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s&w 5906 vs s&w m&p9

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by jamal28, Mar 7, 2014.

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  1. jamal28

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    If u had to choose between the s&w 5906 and s&w m&p9 as a front line combat pistol . Which one u take into battle.
     
  2. iLikeOldgunsIlikeNewGuns

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    5906 regardless of where I'm taking it. I'm not a fan of plastic at all. I prefer a heavier gun by far for recoil management. A good belt and holster completely negate weight while carrying for me.
    I prefer to carry a 1911, but I love my 5906. I've put many thousands of rounds through it with no issues ever. The thing is built like a tank. I don't see how the m&p could be any more durable. Plus I have several 15 & 17 standard cap mags as well as a 33 rounder that is surprisingly reliable :D
     
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    The problem that most individuals would have is the management of the DA/SA trigger transition on the S&W5906. Few users are really dedicated to manage the trigger system in a compressed firing sequence the DA press would probably be on the order of 10lbs and the S/A press 5 lbs. On the current MP series the trigger press from shot to shot would be the same on the order of approxmently 5lbs with an Apex Duty/Carry kit installed. That's been my experience others respondents view points and experiences may differ from mine.
     
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    That would be if most are young. I started out with DA/SA semi autos with safeties and de-cockers.

    My 5906 is the most reliable Semi I have ever owned and the softest shooting 9mm with a 4" barrel I have ever shot.

    When you say front line....kind of throws me. The weight is an issue for some and if it is I would suggest the M&P. But if my life was on the line an I had a choice just at that very moment the 5906 Hands down. Just so easy to manage and follow up shots are much faster. Oh and did I mention most reliable I have ever owned? :D You really can't wear one out either! Eats anything including every reload I put I it.

    Not arguing one over the other just sharing my experience. If you ask people today about reliability, you might get a list of different pistols come up. Some may think reliability hit it's mark with newer polymer guns. But truth is the old S&W's and Ruger P series were just workhorses. Nothing against the polymer either, I own too many to throw stones!
     
  5. David E

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    The problem with the 5906 isn't the weight or the DA/SA transition.

    It's remembering to:

    1) decock when you're done shooting, but still have ammo in the gun...failure to do so can result in an ND which can result in injury or death.

    2) UN-decock after you remembered to decock in the first place. Failure to do so can find you yanking on a disconnected trigger like a madman when you need it to go bang NOW, which can also result in serious injury or death.

    This doesn't mean you can overlook the different protocols needed to make sure the slide mounted safety and magazine disconnect safety render your gun useless at the worst time.

    These concerns aren't necessarily deal breakers, but the shooter must be aware of them and properly address them and ingrain proper habits into their gun handling before carrying the gun.
     
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  6. iLikeOldgunsIlikeNewGuns

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    ^ So basically a 5906 isn't for people who dislike manual safeties and/or decockers...

    I'm not everyone, I'm just me, and I prefer having a manual safety as an option if I want to use it. The double action pull feels pretty smooth, I'd feel safe carrying it with the safety on or off, draw can be tuned so your thumb automatically feels for the safety. I find the 5906's to be very natural to use, forward is bang, and a little spring helps it snap out of safe. Many thousands of rounds and I haven't had a single mishap with operating the pistol, and it's not even a primary piece for me, I'm a 1911 guy. It's my primary 'arm a friend' pistol though (=
     
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    Carry the one you shoot best IF you have a butt load of experience with both. Other wise take the one you know and trust.
     
  8. hemiram

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    I would take the 5906. It's not even close. Give me steel, and I'm happy.

    I cannot understand how carrying a pound or so weight more would bother anyone of any size at all. I carried a Dan Wesson 6" Model 15 or a S&W 28 for years without any problems.
     
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    Smith & Wesson's marketing decision to drop all of the 3rd Gen product line in favor of the M&Ps is based on the fact that the polymer guns have a higher profit margin. I would much rather have a 5906
     
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    love my 5906. The DA trigger pull is 11lbs but smooth, the SA pull is about 4lbs. Management of the first shot is typical DA, but after that, the trigger is short and crisp.
     
  11. David E

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    It doesn't matter if the shooter likes a manual safety, it matters if they're willing to master it. IF they are, then the 5906 is a superb choice. If one prefers the 5906 but finds weight to be a concern, then get a 5903 or 5904 variant.

    When I teach weapon handling protocols on a slide mounted decocker, I try to imprint the decocking process as one step consisting of two parts: decock/up! It takes awhile to instill that, as there's nothing "natural" about it. In fact, the student is told to practice that a few thousand times at home. Because of this, any decocking gun is a poor choice to "arm a friend" with

    I carried 3rd Gen autos for years when I was a cop as well as after. Great guns. I shot a perfect Qualification score with each of them. In fact, one gun, a 5903-SSV, I'd just purchased the day before and the very first 50 rounds fired thru it were for Qualification. Still got a perfect score. Made IDPA Master on the first attempt with my 3914 (which had been my BUG)

    Their really short trigger reset is an often overlooked feature of the 3rd Gen autos.

    I'd feel very well armed with the 5906....but I'd pick the M&P, ideally the Pro, given the choice. BUT, if I was a cop again, I'd pick the 5906 due to the manual safety and threat management advantages.
     
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    I absolutely agree with Wreck-n-Crew. Mastering any firearm is a matter of good training and plenty of practice. I don't think that a Third Generation Smith is anymore difficult to "learn" than most other pistol designs; including a 1911 carried in "condition one".
    Before I retired and after our agency transitioned from revolvers to semi-autos, I carried and qualified with the mandated Smith Third Generation pistol (mine was-and is-a Model 6906) for a couple of decades. Over the last fifty years or so, I've shot many, many different types and designs of auto pistols extensively, from P-38s to Glocks and I've never experienced a pistol any more reliable than these S&W pistols. Reliable, well-made, rugged and plenty accurate. It's the one I'd pick to employ as a "front line battle pistol".
    Which isn't to say that you wouldn't be equally well-served with a Smith M&P, a Beretta Model 92, a SIG Model 226, a Glock Model 17, a Model 1911, an HK USP or a host of other fine options. The op asked for opinions and the Third Generation Smith pistol is my choice.
     
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    Per the original post, for a "front-line combat pistol" I'd go with the M&P for the lighter weight and 2-extra rounds in a standard mag (17 vs. 15). The extra pound or so might not sound like a lot but again, for a front-line combat pistol, I would think you'd be carrying a bunch of other stuff and would like to save weight wherever you could.

    My choice has nothing to do with accuracy or reliability of the 5906 and for pretty much any scenario other than this or concealed carry I'd pick the 5906 over the M&P.
     
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    The 5906 was a good pistol that is no longer in production. That would eliminate it from consideration for me although I think it is the better gun. The M&P wouldn't be at the top of my list either. But I have no problem with plastic.
     
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    I think im leaning towards the 5906 or the 5903(alloy frame version) due to the longer track record of reliability and it being a hammer fired which gives a you second strike capability plus magazines are all over the place heck s&w will fix the pistol even though its not mass produced anymore.
     
  16. TestPilot

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    M&P40 over both. M&P9 has accuracy problems that S&W still have not resolved.

    It will likely not get resolved because apparently the customer service dept sees 3 inch gruop at 7-10 yards is an acceptable standard.

    M&P is easier to operate and maintain compared to any S&W 3rd Gen.
     
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    I think those accuracy problems have been addressed especially when agencies like Texas Dps adopting the m&p9 not to mention the upcoming military pistols trials and the Fbi pistol trials
     
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    s&w 5906 VS s&w m&p9

    The 5906 with adjustable sight is the way to go. I shot a few used police guns, all good. Read about the S&W at link http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=746062 [​IMG] S&W M&P Shield - NRA test This MOA converts to about 6" groups @ 25 yards.
     
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    I've been a victim of it no less than a few monthes ago with a new pistol.

    I have better hits with M&P40 shooting at a head sized target standing with no support at 35 yards than shooting an M&P9 with the upper body and arms supported shooting at a target 4 times larger.
     
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    The 5906 is an accurate and totally reliable pistol. I have 2 of them. I have absolute faith in them in all ways. I swear I could feed carrots and gravel through that action and it would still feed.
    Go with the stainless 5906. The alloy frame variants do not point or balance worth a hoot.

    Opinion given.
     
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    I own both and its a mixed bag with either. Both are soft recoiling, accurate, reliable, etc..........Personally, I would choose the M&P just for its better sights, better grip, and lighter weight. I don't think durability is an issue with the M&Ps. I have over 10,000 rounds through my M&P 9C and it still looks and shoots like it is new.
     
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    Actually by all accounts S&W resolved this around a year ago with the faster twist rate barrels.

    As to the original question, I'd take the M&P. Never shot or even handled a 5906 but I've fired a good number of other DA/SA designs and I've come to not like them. When I first got into firearms I actually prefered them but over time my opinion has changed. These days I prefer a striker fired gun. I do wish someone made a steel framed striker fired design though. Having the consistent trigger of a striker with the recoil management of a heavy steel frame would be interesting.
     
  23. jamal28

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    Hey mgmorden I was also under the impression s&w fixed those accuracy problems I think they have
     
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    hey testpilot have u called s&w to have your gun serviced under warranty
     
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    Yes, that is where I got the 3 inch at 7 yards(or may be 10) standard comment from.
    The issue is alive and well. Not resloved at all.
     
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