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s&w 5906 vs s&w m&p9

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by jamal28, Mar 7, 2014.

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  1. Barry the Bear

    Barry the Bear Member

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    I would take my 686 and be done with this question! :neener: But in all seriousness I would choose the 5906 just because I love the feel of the weapon and it reliability can not be argued against. I wouldnt really care about "recoil reduction" due to a steel frame cause honestly, If you cant handle a 9mm in ANY platform, your gonna be dead before the battle starts. :rolleyes:
     
  2. mgmorden

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    Are you implying that the faster twist rate did not solve the problem (because you'd be the first I've heard of to say that), or are you angry because they wouldn't replace your barrel with the newer version?

    FWIW, I have a 4 year old M&P 9L which still has the older twist rate and I've had no accuracy problems.
     
  3. Thaddeus Jones

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    Another vote for the 5906. Great trigger right out of the box with no need for expensive after market parts. Accurate, reliable and looks good doing all that.

    In 48 years of shooting handguns I've yet to see any new shooter have trouble with the DA to SA transition. Although I've often read on the internet how terrible it is.

    I think it is a training issue. Not enough experience or training? Never experienced a good trigger or the accuracy that it helps provide? Here, shoot the m&p. :)
     
  4. TestPilot

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    Not even an implication.

    That is exactly what I am saying. The one I have is manufactured far later that when the new twist rate came out.

    I am not the cause, since if my shooting ability is the cause then I would have to be equally inaccurate with M&P40 which is not the case at all.

    And if they think 3 inch group at 7-10 yards is not an issue, then why would they resolve it? Apparently they are denying that it an issue at all. Pathetic.
     
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  5. jon_in_wv

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    Funny my M&P 9C is one of the earlier ones and it seems accurate enough to shoot a steel plates out to as far as 200 yards. Someone must have forgotten to tell it that its supposed to be inaccurate.
     
  6. jawman

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    I'd take an M&P, however I've never fired a 5906 before. But for being a plastic gun, the recoil on the M&P is nothing. Shooting the M&P40 has as much recoil as a P226 in 9mm. Yes I said that right. And the ergos are incredible. Love the low bore axis, too. If you're concerned about the accuracy issues on the M&P9, realize that it is only the full size models that are affected. M&P9C, Shield, 40 and 45 are just fine. If you're worried about the M&P9 FS accuracy issues, buy a M&P40 and drop in a Storm Lake or KKM 9mm conversion barrel (must be a conversion barrel, not a regular 9mm barrel because the M&P40 chamber hood notch has external differences than the 9, and the conversion barrels take these differences into account), then buy some 9mm mags and now you have 2 pistols in one.

    As for the accuracy issues on the M&P9, Smith has changed barrels: http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=3719, however, some argue that the twist rate is not the only issue; barrel fit and lockup timing should also be considered. Remember, the M&P was built for the .40 S&W cartridge, and was then built down to handle 9mm. All of the S&W shooting team members run hard fitted Storm Lake barrels in their M&P9's.

    The chances of you getting an inaccurate M&P9 FS is pretty low. I think they've fixed most of the kinks on that. But if you're worried, get the .40 version and do the above.

    Edit: I misspoke when I said the 40 had a differenct extractor, ejector, etc. than the 9. The 9mm and 40 are very similar, and share the same part numbers, including recoil springs, extractors, ejectors, sears, everything.
     
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  7. Onward Allusion

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    Heh, absolute no-brainer. 5906 all the way. The thing is so tough that it will eat empty cases. No hyperbole here. The all SS construction will absorb pretty much all recoil. When you run out of ammo, you can use it as a club to crack skulls. Accuracy is darn good for a duty pistol because the frame's rail extends down the dust cover. Capacity is also good. Aftermarket mags by Mec Gar (same company that makes the Beretta & Sig mags - to name a few) sit flush with 17 rounds or extend around 1 inch with 20 rounders.

    The only thing the M&P has on the 5906 is it's integral rail. If you really must have a rail, go with the 5906TSW.

    IMO, it's one of the best 9mms ever made.
     
  8. jamal28

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    Hey onward allusion I must agree with u. The 5906 is one of the best 9mm ever built period
     
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  9. Waveski

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    Onward and Jamal -

    Great minds think alike.

    I repeat myself - 2 5906's , for $700. Both now shining , Flitz having cleaned away years of carry blemishes. What a value!
     
  10. SigFTW

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    I would also take the 5906 over the new plastic M&P. I have been a old school S&W fan sense the early 90s. Even though its out of production, it built like a tank and should last.
     
  11. ColtPythonElite

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    I carried a 5906 as a duty weapon for a number of years. It was well built, reliable, and reasonably accurate. I hated the DA/SA trigger, though. When we got plastic guns I bought my 5906 for $180. That included 3 mags, box/paperwork, and leather. I never used it and let it go. I don't miss it one bit.
     
  12. jamal28

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    and by the way mecgar still sells 15,17,and 20 rd mags and trijicon also makes night sights and if the d/a pull is too long just change the mainspring to a 20 or 18 lbs from ismi gunsprings
     
  13. jon_in_wv

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    I'm indifferent about the double/single action transition but I will add the single action of my 3913/5906 is magical. One of the best I've had. For those who haven't shot a 5906, and have shot the M&P, the M&P's recoil is light but the 5906's is even lighter. One other thing to consider is the ammo available. My M&Ps seem to shoot any weight really well, my 3913 was built during the surge in heavier weight 9mms and it really shoots 146gr bullets like a dream, but the lighter weight bullets not so much.
     
  14. PabloJ

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    I do not like to wear massive belts or suspenders so I would never pick steel-framed S&W but alloy-framed version would be as acceptable as the M&P9. Having owned 457 & 457s I can recommend Gen 3 S&W as very good weapon to have. Last one I have seen was 908 is very good condition for only $299+tax. There was no going wrong there.
     
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    I own and Shoot both 5906 & M&P 9mm.IMHO the 5906 because it,s built like a tank.
     
  16. dtalley

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    I love my 5906 but my M&P fits my hand better with my short fat fingers.:)
     
  17. jamal28

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    If I was in law enforcement or security it would be the m&p but if the **** really hits fan I got my 5906 loaded with 18 rounds of 124gr gold dots and my saiga 12 with 10 rounds of buckshot ready to go
     
  18. jamal28

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    But its something about the 5906 when you first pick it up u notice that its built like a tank and well made machine ready to take on any task
     
  19. JTQ

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    I did my early auto loading pistol shooting with S&W TDA autos, and I'm pretty familiar and comfortable with their operation. As a group, I like them and think they are great guns. They are a little heavy by current standards, and are out of production, but they are still great guns.

    One thing I always find interesting in threads concerning the S&W TDA autos, and Ruger P-Series pistols, is you generally don't see statements like these...

    On the other hand, these are pulled from a Beretta 92FS thread here on THR. I don't even own a Beretta (I do have an S&W TDA auto), but you can't get more than a few posts into a Beretta 92FS thread without somebody making the above quotes, even if they are not related to the subject of the thread, yet the issue practically never comes up with the S&W TDA pistols or Ruger P-Series guns that operate the same way.

    Just an observation.
     
  20. SwampWolf

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    Interesting that you make this point, JTQ, because, as much as I like Smith Third Generation autos (see post in this thread and many others), in my experience, on not so rare occasions, during re-qualification drills involving clearing contrived malfunctions (especially when the support hand is used to sweep over the top of the slide to clear a "stovepipe" jam), the safety can be inadvertently activated on tda (I assume you mean "traditional double-action") S&W pistols, much like what can occur with similarly configured pistols like the Beretta 92FS. It didn't happen all that often but it is a possibility that the shooter should be aware of so that he/she knows how to respond and correct (by pushing the safety back in the "fire" position) the situation while under fire.
     
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    Probably because the 5906 doesn't fail and no reason for tap/rack/bang?:D: :uhoh:
     
  22. jamal28

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    In my opinion the 5906 had two flaws its weight and the slide mounted safety both can be overcome with practice
     
  23. SwampWolf

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    Good point Wreck-n-Crew. You will note that the incidents that I referenced with tda Smith Third Generation pistols occured with induced "malfunctions" for training drills. It's almost impossible to get these pistols to jam on their own accord.
     
  24. jamal28

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    there's a reason the Smith 3rd gen pistols are nicknamed "the poor mans sig". Because its reliable as hell
     
  25. TestPilot

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    Actually those equally applies to S&W 3rd Generation or Ruger P series.

    You only hear more about Beretta because Beretta actually still makes slide mounted lever guns. For S&W 3rd Generation and Ruger P-series, it is kind of a moot issue. Since only a small portion of people are issued those guns, people who use them are people who likes them. For Beretta, since it is still issued by number of government agencies, while the number may be dwindling, there are a fair number of people who are forced to use it against their will. I had a distaste for Beretta with the primary reason for that distaste is that I was forced to use it. You probably won't hear about Beretta issues as much if it was not the U.S. military pistols.

    However, indisputable fact is that both S&W 3rd Generation and Ruger P series is no longer in production, except limited runs only for government agencies, and both manuacturers did not make any replacement model for DA/SA with slide mounted lever.

    There just isn't a demand for TDA + slide mounted lever type as much as other type of systems. That is not just because the public that consists of people of various degrees of knowledge. If you look at special operation teams, you just don't see them desiring a TDA + slide mounted lever pistol, and if you happen to find one that use them, they're an exception rather than the rule.
     
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