The 619, SKU #164301, replaced the 65 over a year ago. It is a 4" seven-shot fixed-sight .357 Magnum/.38 Special - and is depicted as such on page 32, in the L-frame section, of the current 2006 printed S&W catalog. On the previous page (31), under K frames, you will find three 617's depicted - a 6" 6-round and both a 4" and 6" ten-shooter - all .22 LR's. With smaller holes in the barrel and cylinder, the smaller frame opening of the full lug 4" 617 at 41 oz still outweighs the larger frame opening half lug 619 at 37.5 oz. The K & L frames take the same size grip.
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