S&W defense of the 2A

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  1. old lady new shooter

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  2. The Black Prince

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    The HUD agreement under the Clinton administration. Interestingly enough guess who HUD secretary was at the time.... Andrew Cuomo. Basically rhe manufacturers were facing a bunch of frivolous litigation from municipalities, and since S&W was already in bad shape and British owned at the time, the signed the agreement under promise of relief from litigation. Glock and Beretta told them to piss up a rope, but S&W likely wouldn't have survived the costly legal battles.
     
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    And the legal bills for Glock and Beretta are...........oh yea never mind.
     
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    No clue, simply told you what you asked about with the locks including that Glock and Beretta stuck to their guns as it were. Also that they were British owned at the time.
    Now what I didn't say is what a great company S&W is or how I'm rushing out to buy me a new S&W with a lock. I would like some of their older offerings, but typically when I see them for sale locally people want Colt money for them.
     
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    Thats the California plan for the rest of the Country. Soon, our philandering alcoholic of a governor will be forced on the rest of the country as a presidential candidate, bringing astronomically high taxes, rampant homelessness and draconian gun control ideas with him. :(

    And you think the internal locks were bad…

    Stay safe.
     
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    So you don't know if they ever had to defend against legal action. Paper argument.
     
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    He does have those thoughts I have no doubt.

    But don't worry some even on this board will defend his actions.
     
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    Paper argument for a paper tiger. Have a good day bud
     
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    They sold us out big time in the Clinton days.... and reaped a lot of hate as a result.

    Perhaps they really have learned their lesson. Time and actions will tell.
     
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    That was sure easy, I had hopes for some facts and figures to backup your statement.
     
  11. 230RN
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    230RN I keep pushing that pendulum back.

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    That's a Blue Sardine.

    Honestly, if you can't see the relationship between the mandatory lock and the Second Amendment, there's no point in arguing about it.

    I've said my say and I'm done saying it. Thanks to all who can also see the relationship. I do agree with your characterization of the lock as "stupid."

    However, since it is stupid, the only reason it is there is to place another choke point on the ownership of firearms. It's rather like requiring all rifling to be 7 groove, 23" twist, left handed. If there's no reason for it, the only conclusion can be that it is another "choke point" because it is an additional expensive requirement on gun makers.

    I.e., another nibble at a fundamental right. Y' gotta watch out for those little "inconsequential" nibbles.

    Terry, 230RN
     
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    I know that clear thinking is hard but you can learn to do it if you practice.

    Besides that there is not now, nor has there ever been a law mandating internal locks on any firearm, one does not "cave in to" laws. One obeys them. Or not. One's choice.


    The internal lock you've been wrapped around the axle about for 30 years has nothing to do with the NFA. Nothing to do with the 1968 GCA. Nothing to do with the Brady Bill, the expired AWB or any other gun control law.

    Nor does it have anything to do with the Second Amendment. The entire Bill of Rights - including the Second Amendment - only places restrictions on the government, not on private individuals or businesses.

    It has to do with promises of fat .gov contracts at a time when S&W was hurting. Bad.

    But that was almost 30 years ago. What really matters is that here today some people in Washington called them up and made ridiculous demands and here today Smith & Wesson told them to go pound sand.

    If you people can't understand that, neither I nor anyone else can help you.

    I have been holding off but I'm going to go ahead and get this thread locked.

    You want to know why the Right keeps losing and the Left keeps winning? The Right is filled with rigid, unforgiving, sanctimonious Pharasees. People who would rather hold on to decades old grudges than win. People who look for motes in others ' eyes.

    It is the Right, not the Left that insists on absolute, rigid ideologic purity. The Right, not the Left that refuses to have anything to do with people who those who don't measure up to the same standards of holiness.

    It is the Right, not the Left that demands all or nothing.

    Well I got news for you, A: nobody's perfect (including you) B: when you insist on all or nothing, what you tend to get is nothing.

    Meanwhile, the Left is perfectly willing to accept help wherever it may come from. Even from their enemies.

    Meanwhile, the Left is perfectly willing to accept any little partial victory they can get, no matter how small. Even if it is given to them by their Enemies.

    And God knows the Right is expert at nothing if not at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

    The Right will drop a perfectly viable candidate who is almost assured of victory in the grease because he once used intemperate and impious language, saying "we can't vote for someone like that," while the Left will vote for an outright criminal if they think he or she can win.

    30 years ago, S&W agreed to some pretty ridiculous demands. Most of which anyone with critical thinking skills can see were nonsensical, meaningless babble that changed exactly nothing.

    Today, S&W said go pound sand. But the Pharisees would rather cling tightly to their precious grudges. Because remaining ideologicaly pure and holy is more important than winning.
     
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    That's rich asking for facts and figures when all you do is throw out one liners.
     
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    Good for them, I like their revolvers (even the "Hillary hole" ones) and just yesterday picked up a Shield Plus in .30 Super Carry, nice gun.
     
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    Jeez, they tell the Dems to suck it and refuse to show up to the show trial, they move their headquarters that they've been in for over 160 years to a 2A sanctuary in Tennessee and bring AR manufacturing with them, they make quality products that people WANT to purchase, and and the internal lock still has people tied up in knots?

    I'm with bdickens here. We need S&W to be viable so they can continue to fight back against these weasels. Buy a Smith or don't, but for f***'s sake please drop the grudge.
     
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    Agreed. And basically agree with most of what @bdickens said as well. I think it is not only good practice, but in our interest to forgive and move on from the heart breaks and betrayals of the past. Especially if they are that far in the past and we should rally behind and support and give as much positive reinforcement as possible to companies that make bold moves in opposition of the "anti's". No matter how small, no matter how self serving it may be, if it's good for us, get behind it, period. ;)
     
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  17. Remington1911

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    Still waiting for your supporting docs.....oh yea you don't have any, right....
     
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    Looks like this one has run its course and then some...
     
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