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S&W M&P9c Apex Tactical hard sear and striker block review.

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Mags, May 4, 2010.

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  1. Mags

    Mags Member

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    Dropped my S&W M&P9c off yesterday with the gunsmith and picked it up today. For those of you that own M&Ps ya'll are probably aware of the vague trigger reset and mushy trigger feeling. Well the hard sear and striker block improved both trigger reset and trigger pull. The setup did not remove any of the long pull though, but after the first squeeze of the trigger the next one will be alot smoother and with no more false reset.

    The Sear can be found here: Apex Tactical Sear
    And the Striker block here: Apex Tactical Striker Block

    Today I fired 25 rounds of the new red box at Wal-Mart. (Federal Champion 115 grain 9mm) The target was at the 15 yard line.
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  2. Gary G23

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    I've done that upgrade on six M&P's now. I wish S&W would make those parts standard equipment.
     
  3. DAdams

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    The 9PRO gets a work over for not that much more $$.

    I heard that they will be offering a similar PRO/Performance Center "upgrade" for all the M&Ps soon.

    This was gleaned from a SHOT Show Report.
     
  4. Gary G23

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    "The 9PRO gets a work over for not that much more $$."

    Three of the pistols I upgraded were Pro Series guns. There is no comparison between the Apex parts and those of the Performance Center. Plus you don't have the failure to reset issue that has plagued some Pro Series guns.
     
  5. CatsEye

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    I did the same upgrade to my 9Pro. It is an improvement over the factory parts.
     
  6. Kingofthehill

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    Well... parts are ordered.

    I don't think the trigger is that bad on my M&P's though... They all have over 2k rounds down the pipe and hours of sitting on my recliner pulling the trigger though.

    JOe
     
  7. Mags

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    I just really wanted a more distinct reset, which the Apex parts gave me.
     
  8. Kingofthehill

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    I admit to that, the M&P suffers from a weak reset.

    I love the Glock's reset!... is it close to that?
     
  9. Mags

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    Not quite as strong as a Glock but you know it has reset for sure.
     
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    Great pics Mags! Wish my M&P shot that straight, alas I think the barrel is crooked ; ). I installed the Apex sear on my .40 and WOW! I knew I had to waste another $7.50 on shipping for the seperate order on the striker block, my fault for not buying them together. It's not a Para LDA but it is leaps ahead of most other DAO triggers.
    Check out Speed Shooter Specialties for more M&P goodies then surf on over to S&W's site to check out the NEW SD9 & SD40. I'll definitely be getting one for the wife! (I pray she doesn't like it)
     
  11. RobMoore

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    If I didn't already have a Burwell trigger job, I'd get this, and will if I ever get a second M&P.
     
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    You will be singing a different tune once you drop in the Apex Tactical parts. All five of my M&P's were upgraded with the Apex parts... Even my two Pro's. Yes... Apex is that good!

    You can't have a M&P thread without a Pro pic:
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  13. Mags

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    Nice looking gun Joe. I am now eyeing the SD9 as well I need to dry fire one before I buy as I am sure aftermarket support won't be tooled up right away.
     
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    Thanks for posting the review and links - inspired me to finally order the parts for mine. Received them very quickly, and thanks to the Youtube videos was able to swap the parts out myself in short order @ the workbench.
     
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    Made it to the range today to test drive the M&P w. the new parts. Very nice!! Same amount of take-up as before, but now the take-up travel is very light & smooth, with a far more crisp break. Even a tangible, short reset and very little overtravel.
     
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    I assume both parts aren't needed.

    If so, has anyone that has gotten both played with using each part separately before using them together, and can give a better description for what each part will do?

    I mean the description for each part seem to do the same benefit, just using different words. Then again, it maybe too late in the evening for me to be reading it.
     
  17. Gary G23

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    "I assume both parts aren't needed."
    You know what they say about assumptions.

    The sear reduces trigger pull, reset, and overtravel.

    The striker block takes the grittiness out of the take up.

    So they do different things.

    Yes I have tried them separately and yes I think they are both needed.

    When you add the sear it will make the grittiness of the take up more apparent. Randy Lee has done his homework.
     
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    do those apex upgrades make any difference in the reset?
     
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    +1 what Gary said. I replaced the sear and trigger pull dropped markedly. Last night I Replaced the striker block and it removed the friction point felt midway through the pretravel. I could have lived with just the sear but I'm more than pleased with the combination and would buy both again if anoher M&P comes my way.
    As to reset, mine now has a slight audible click on reset and is much more positive than before upgrade.
     
  20. Mags

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    Yes, the reset is more distinct. No more false reset.
     
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    I have an M&P Pro 9mm, an M&P 9mm C, and just bought the M&P 45 F.S. The 45 trigger was noisy, around 6# (+ maybe) and generally sloppy. It was not satisfactory.

    I called Apex last week, left a voice mail with questions, and their response was within two hours. Randall Lee told me about the videos for the sear and striker bar replacement, and was very encouraging about how easy it would be to do.

    So, I ordered the parts. I did the Apex Tactical trigger job on my M&P 45 today. New 45 hard sear and Ultimate Striker Block and I polished the trigger bar. I am absolutely amazed at the difference. Smooth as silk, around 4#, very little over travel and an almost instant reset.

    Why pay shipping to Smith and Wesson, or Burwell (who, by the way, has yet to respond to any of my emails requesting a slot for a trigger job - business must be good), or lose the use of the pistol for weeks, when this is available and very simple. I have compared my Apex trigger to an M&P Burwell job and I, personally, could not see any advantage to Burwell.

    The Apex trigger is BETTER than my M&P Pro, which I thought was very good for a factory trigger, so the Pro is next in line for the mod.

    Just one opinion.
     
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    Probably that, combined with it being the middle of the competition season.
     
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    everyone in the Apex shop competes too...both smiths and the office manager. one reason they came up with the DIY parts rather than do action tunes (which they'll also do) on the M&P is to let them get caught up on revolver and 1911 work
     
  24. RobMoore

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    refer to #11
     
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    I've fired WELL over 5000 rounds through my M&P 9c and I am at a loss about this "false reset" you guys are talking about. It isn't as positive as a Glock or XD but my M&P reset it positive enough and I have never short stroked it no matter how fast I've shot it. A few weeks ago I dragged my HP out for some shooting, talk about NO reset. I did short stroke that one a few times until I corrected my self.
     
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