S&W Model 13: Perfect Defense Gun?

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Elm Creek Smith, what's the story on those great grips? I've never seen those before. They look cool. Do they still make them?

They are Bianchi Lightning grips made by Pachmayr. They are brown neoprene with steel inserts. Bianchi offered them for the round butt K-frames, round butt J-frames, and M1911A1s. The problem was that the grips hit the market just about the same time the semi-automatic fad hit police departments. I've seen a few K-frame grips and only one J-frame. I've never seen the M1911A1 grips. They were planned for the Colt Detective Special and the Python, but nope. I found these at a gun show. I've also seen them go for a lot of money on E-Bay. However, they're out there.

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I had my wonderful issued Model 19 replaced by a Model 13 . I learned to love the 3" M 13 but it was not as sexy as the 2.5" 19 ! I had to use the M13 once , no fatality but nasty injury by three .38+p+ 110 grain WW "Treasury Load" to the stupid perp. Course my hits were low as the gun was spitting as it was coming out as I had a .380 pointed at me. I kept carrying an M13 latter in a Sherrif's reserve as the 1911 was a No No at the time. I tried those shrouded Bianchi grips but found the angle odd for me, it bulked up the gun's print and the rubber stuck to my clothes. I sold that M 13 to someone for a Browning .45 BDA (Sig 220) as I remember and carried that in the reserves until finally a Glock 17. Today a snub old nickle Model 19 is my Bar B Que rig. Sure they say it won't full length extract a .357 case but man is it sexy!
 
Hey guys! interesting thread you got here. I'm a proud owner of a Model 19. I got it a couple of weeks back from my pop. I think he's been keeping it for about 15 years or so I'm just not sure but it's still beautiful - very beautiful like my wife actually.lol. But I'm thinking of having it refinished to get it back in shape. I found this article http://www.iultrasonic.com/refurbish-your-smith-wesson-model-19-with-an-ultrasonic-cleaners.html and its really making me think. Maybe having my gun cleaned with an ultra cleaner can bring it back (?) Comments? Suggestions? Has any of tried doing this? Any information would really be helpful. Thanks in advance guys.
 
I haven't seen many of these lately. I had a brand new one years ago in Utah and foolishly sold it. I can still see it in my mind's eye lying in its box with the brown anti-moisture wrapping. Damn nice gun. What was I thinking?

In my opinion it's the ideal home defense gun in all of Smith's line-up. It was the one gun I could always recommend to people wanting a good...did I say "good"? I meant "perfect" gun for a dresser drawer.

If anyone has any photos of one, I'd like to them. As much as I like my Security-Six Rugers, I miss the 13 I let get away. It's why I tell people today not to sell or trade their handguns -- that they'll regret it. It had a perfect balance. The only thing bad about it were the grips, but for .38 ammo they were okay.

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The new Model R8 is far superior HD gun. It has three significant advantages: non-reflective finish, integral light/laser module rail and eight shot capacity. If I ever buy another revolver it will be S&W M&P R8.
 
i have both the R8 and a model 13. the R8 would be tough to conceal well, it is a great gun. but there is some thing about the model 13 that is.....................
 
13-2 with recessed cylinders. MINT condition, I carry it quite a bit. I am ordering brass, bullets, and powder so I can roll my own.

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I ain't fool enough to disagree with anybody's choices in this thread
just keep those pictures coming !
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me, need all the help I can get with sight radius, so mine be 6" 357 k-frames for "all-around" pert-near perfect 38+p revolver

lots of other great choices in this thread for "carry-plus", none better than
but none better than those S&W 13s, despite no lack of competition
 
Here's my 3" -3. I was carrying it IWB the other day when I came upon this thread. Though I find 4" gun as easy to carry as 2" ones, the round butt frame and walnut service stocks on the 13 (with Tyler T-Grip) are unbeatable for concealment.

Paid $450 for this one a few years ago. Only one I've seen in person in the last 7 years.


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Here's mine, accompanied by my M-65 and my M-66 3". I wouldn't want to part with any of the three; however, the M-13 would be the last one to go. The M-66 3" was a "grail gun" and it is a great gun but the M-13 has everything I need and nothing I don't. I started out as a revolver guy and then carried a 1911 for mucho years, now I've come back to the revolvers. Six for sure! Keep shootin'
 

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It's hard to beat a good K-frame but I have to say that the model 13 doesn't appeal to me. I prefer adjustable sights on a .357 and for my short barrelled guns to be .38's. Or big bores.
 
I think of the Model 13 as a better carry gun than dresser-drawer gun, but yes, it is one of those perfect equations in the firearms world. I have never owned a 13, but the similar-niche weapon that I let get away was a Model 581. These are not often available, either, and the one I have seen at a dealer, since I sold mine, arrived at a bad time, financially, for me to buy.

Fortunately, I have plenty of stainless Rugers to cover my needs, but when my finances are more secure, starting in 2013 or so, I will be again looking out for nice blued S&W sixguns.
 
Howdy

Here is mine. I picked it up a couple of years ago. No krinkly brown paper but I did get the box and the instruction manual.

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The differences between the Model 13 and the Model 19 are the 13 has fixed sights, a bull barrel, and no extractor rod shroud. The 19 does not really have a bull barrel, and has a barrel rib.

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In other words, the model 13 is a model 10 in .357, and the model 19 is a model 15 in .357.

The 15 and 19 make up the weight lost to the lighter barrel with the barrel rib and ejector rod shroud.
 
I agree that a K-frame Smith & Wesson with a 3 to 4 inch barrel is an excellent choice for a home defensive weapon, but we part company when it comes to using .357 Magnum ammunition because of over-penetration and recoil issues. Therefore I prefer the matching model 10 in .38 Special, and would also recommend that the hammer be bobbed and changed to double-action-only because thumb-cocking might be counter productive in a high stress situation.
The 13 is just a Model 10 that takes .357.

What makes the 13 perfect is that it takes the .38 fodder when it's in the home and takes the .357 when you're camping, hiking are on the road. The magnum ammo punches holes in vehicles, has excellent stopping power when you pull over at rest stops or are stalked by bears on the trail. Speaking of the latter, I recall hearing of a honeymooning couple that was stalked by a bear while hiking in the wilderness. The idiot husband left his wife, promising to return with help. His wife was subsequently attacked and partially eaten while her husband escaped without a scratch!

If she'd had a Model 13 stoked with hot magnum ammo, she could have lived to divorce her worthless husband or at least rethink her relationship! I wouldn't have trusted a Model 10.

So it's not that we're talking about .357 ammo in the home; we're talking about the ability to match the ammo to the threat. One could even load a 125gr JHP as the third round up. If the first two shots don't get an intruder's attention, the third shot definitely will!

Remember the 1986 FBI shootout in Miami? The bad guys were shot up with 9mm and .38 rounds, yet lived to kill two agents and wound five. All of the .357s used by the agents were loaded with +P ammo. Had the agents had 125gr JHP .357 ammo, the outcome very likely would have had a different outcome. (There were only two .357s used: a M19 and a M686. When I first read about the firefight, I saw that two .357s being used and found it incredible that they failed to stop the bad guys. It was only later that I found out they were using +P FBI loads, loads that had a fairly decent reputation.)

Three-fifty-sevens are only .357s when magnum rounds are used. The references to .357s in the Miami shootout were misleading at best. Anyway, when out on the trail or on the road, a .357 works much better than a .38 (regardless of the load).

Ruger and S&W both phased out their medium framed .357s for bigger and heavier versions. The Model 13 was a no-frills gun with no ejector lug and beautiful but nonfunctional wood grips. The barrel was perfectly balanced and the bluing was gorgeous. Plus the price was extremely reasonable. It was meant to be the perfect home defense weapon and I think S&W hit it right on the button.
 
I bought a P.R. airport security 3" 65 re-import from a mail order surplus dealer some years back. No turn line - clean inside & out, save some scratches and gouges (It looked like it had been used as a wheel chock!) - great deal then for $200 shipped. I cleaned it up and regripped it with Hogue goncalo alves rounded fg grips - sanded and refinished to my wife's hand, replacing a CZ-75 9mm. She hated it! I sold it - big mistake. Never sell a S&W you like! She had found my 2" 10-11, bought new 9/03 as my first .38. So, talk her into getting rid of that CZ - and I'm out two S&W's!

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Almost two years ago, I bought the first new re-issue 'Blood Work' revolver that arrived locally - a 2 5/8" PC627 UDR - an N-frame 8-banger. It isn't that much bigger than the 2" 10 (see above), which isn't a pocket gun anyway - I have a 642 for that role. No, I don't have a 3" 13... but I have a great HD/car gun - usually stoked with my favorite protective round - +P 158gr LHPSWC. A new UDR runs ~$900 now - but, a well-used 3" 13/65 will run $600 nowadays, too. Just different strokes! Another plus - the PC627 is moonclip-ready.

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Nope you have it right JFrame...also the agents did have body armor...in the trunks of their cars...they were too hot to were them that day!

My Model 12 lives on my nightstand loaded with CorBon DPX, it sits next a a remote that turns on a bright light in every room of the house except the bedroom.

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What's the finish on that 12? Also, did you have problems fitting those boot grips? My 12 is slightly narrower in the grip frame.

That would be a great combo, btw: a 12 and a 13. One lightweight for carry, one for everything else, including big booming 158s.
 
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I love the M65 with the three inch barrel. In my mind the M13 looks better, though.
 
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