S&W Model 69 durability

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Sergei Mosin

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How durable is the S&W Model 69? A .44 L-frame seems to me much like a .357 K-frame - not really meant for a steady diet of Magnum loads - but maybe I'm wrong. Is the M69 strong enough for shooting .44 Magnums on a regular basis, or is it better off as a .44 Special that shoots the occasional Magnum?
 
The S&W 69 has a 5 shot cylinder. The locking notches are located between the chambers. This takes care of the weak spot on handgun chambers. Most 6 shooters have the locking notch located on the chamber wall. If you check the forcing cone you will see this is also thicker. This seems to be intended for a defensive handgun. I doubt that you would shoot that many 325 grs. bullet in the 69.
 
It's pretty beefy where it counts it seems.

There was a thread here where someone compared a number of dimensions to a 629 and it made me feel a little more warm and fuzzy about the M69 being a 44mag on a L frame.
 
When I work up loads, they start sticking in my 29 before my 69. Search for threads from Paul105 or PM him. I think he had 5000+ rounds through his a year or two ago. Who knows what he is at now. Mine has about 1600 rounds through it, 790 were full-strength magnums, mostly 240gr. It shows no signs of loosening up.
 
Mine is working out just fine. I do have a 5" 629 as well, and comparing the two with full house loads shows the difference that weight makes. Recoil is down-right heavy with the 69 and not so much of course with the 629. But the grips, albeit ugly as they are, that come on the 69 really mitigate the recoil. Especially the forward part that intersects with the trigger guard, totally prevents the knuckle rap that's so prevalent with heavy .44 loads. They're that good. Wish someone would make up a duplicate in good walnut that would feel as great and look 1000x better.

I think Smith did a great job beefing up the L frame to handle that kind of recoil while still making a relatively light, easy packing gun. I've run over 1000 rounds of varied loads through mine so far with no discernible loosening. If I were to run only heavy magnums, and a lot of them, through it, I can't speculate on the result but Smith has no doubt run a destruction level number and still offered the gun to the shooting public.

For me, I run Skelton's old 1050 fps load most of the time (240 gr LSWC with Unique doing the pushing). It's a fun load, easy to put up, and will punch right on through a KY whitetail hit behind the shoulder. Son #2 has put two of our elderly horses down with head shots as well and penetration was over 12".

Another facet of the 69 that sometimes doesn't come out well in reviews is that it's the same weight (within an oz unloaded) as my 4" M19 Smith. As such it makes a great belt gun for daily tramps down through our meadows here on the farm. It's got a good S&W SA trigger as you'd expect, but the DA pull is somewhat heavy compared to the 19 and to several other Smiths that I own in the bigger "N" frame. It's gotten better over time, but I'd still like it reduced some more.

Accuracy has been outstanding, both with jacketed and surprisingly, with cast lead alloy bullets as well. I read a piece by Brian Pearce on the 69 when it first came out and he said he'd had trouble getting good results with cast bullet loads. Leading being the issue. That's not been my experience at all. I size my home-cast wheel weight alloy bullets to 0.430"-0.431" for both Smiths and get no leading even with plain based types up to 1100 fps. That's more than enough for daily practice or casual woods plinking, but still stout enough for anything I'd be likely to run into hereabouts.

With Magnum level velocities, I generally use gas checks or jacketed bullets and have shot the latter up to 1350 fps with fine accuracy. To date, I expect to get 1.25 to 2.0" gps with most any load. I've used Unique, Herco, & 231 for the low end stuff in both .44 Special and also in the longer Magnum brass and get 3-4" gps at 50 yds from rest with no problem. The faster Magnum loads do equally well, accuracy wise, with Lyman's 429244 GC doing an especially fine job, along with 200 and 240 gr Hornady XTP's. The latter with 296 or 110.

For looks, I wish S&W could have dispensed with the IL and the ball lock up arrangement for the yoke...but it makes the gun that much tighter in lock up I guess. And the sleeved barrel looks a bit odd from the front, but that's not the end I look at when shooting. For me, here at this point in life, (pushing 71 this coming May) it's function over form every time...as Whelen said so many decades ago, "only accurate guns are interesting". That's a truth be told. S&W has achieved that in the M69 and in a package that's a mite easier to tote on the gun belt.

Here's a pic of the 69 with the 629 shown for size comparison. The 629's grips are similar but just don't feel as comfortable as those on the 69, but work equally well in handling recoil.

Best Regards, Rod

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All modern S&W's have a lifetime warranty, so even if something were to go on it, they would take care of it, and cover shipping both ways (something a few other manufacturers don't offer with their lifetime warranties).
 
Nice write-up Rodfac, thank you...

There are all types of revolvers available and we only run into problems when we try to do a job with the wrong tool. A light .44 Magnum revolver meant for belt carry all day is not a target gun for the range. It's not made to shoot boxes of heavy magnum loads weekly for years on end at the range. The right tool for the job. Same with J frame revolvers, not made for hundreds if heavy magnum loads weekly but in a SD situation it will do what it was made to do.
 
I would like to hear of someone wearing one out before suggesting it is the wrong tool for the job on a hunch. Smaller is not necessarily weaker.
 
I'm impressed with the toughness and long life of the .357 L frames. The guns are entirely up to a steady diet of full boogie .357 Magnums. I own one of the first, a no-dash 586 that was recalled for a new firing pin bushing. After that mess got ironed out the type seems to have been pretty much trouble free. Over the years mine has picked up a measurable but none too serious increase in cylinder endshake. I've observed no other issues.

I can only extrapolate from that point. My experience will not tell you anything directly of relevance to the .44 caliber version, but I can tell you it is a tough and well built gun.


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What did they do to beef up the forcing cone on the 69? I have a 696 L frame 44 special and the forcing cone is very thin and supposedly won't take a diet of even heavy 44 specials.
 
What did they do to beef up the forcing cone on the 69? I have a 696 L frame 44 special and the forcing cone is very thin and supposedly won't take a diet of even heavy 44 specials.
The 69 has a two piece barrel with a much beefier forcing cone.
 
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Mine is working out just fine. I do have a 5" 629 as well, and comparing the two with full house loads shows the difference that weight makes. Recoil is down-right heavy with the 69 and not so much of course with the 629. But the grips, albeit ugly as they are, that come on the 69 really mitigate the recoil. Especially the forward part that intersects with the trigger guard, totally prevents the knuckle rap that's so prevalent with heavy .44 loads. They're that good. Wish someone would make up a duplicate in good walnut that would feel as great and look 1000x better.

I think Smith did a great job beefing up the L frame to handle that kind of recoil while still making a relatively light, easy packing gun. I've run over 1000 rounds of varied loads through mine so far with no discernible loosening. If I were to run only heavy magnums, and a lot of them, through it, I can't speculate on the result but Smith has no doubt run a destruction level number and still offered the gun to the shooting public.

For me, I run Skelton's old 1050 fps load most of the time (240 gr LSWC with Unique doing the pushing). It's a fun load, easy to put up, and will punch right on through a KY whitetail hit behind the shoulder. Son #2 has put two of our elderly horses down with head shots as well and penetration was over 12".

Another facet of the 69 that sometimes doesn't come out well in reviews is that it's the same weight (within an oz unloaded) as my 4" M19 Smith. As such it makes a great belt gun for daily tramps down through our meadows here on the farm. It's got a good S&W SA trigger as you'd expect, but the DA pull is somewhat heavy compared to the 19 and to several other Smiths that I own in the bigger "N" frame. It's gotten better over time, but I'd still like it reduced some more.

Accuracy has been outstanding, both with jacketed and surprisingly, with cast lead alloy bullets as well. I read a piece by Brian Pearce on the 69 when it first came out and he said he'd had trouble getting good results with cast bullet loads. Leading being the issue. That's not been my experience at all. I size my home-cast wheel weight alloy bullets to 0.430"-0.431" for both Smiths and get no leading even with plain based types up to 1100 fps. That's more than enough for daily practice or casual woods plinking, but still stout enough for anything I'd be likely to run into hereabouts.

With Magnum level velocities, I generally use gas checks or jacketed bullets and have shot the latter up to 1350 fps with fine accuracy. To date, I expect to get 1.25 to 2.0" gps with most any load. I've used Unique, Herco, & 231 for the low end stuff in both .44 Special and also in the longer Magnum brass and get 3-4" gps at 50 yds from rest with no problem. The faster Magnum loads do equally well, accuracy wise, with Lyman's 429244 GC doing an especially fine job, along with 200 and 240 gr Hornady XTP's. The latter with 296 or 110.

For looks, I wish S&W could have dispensed with the IL and the ball lock up arrangement for the yoke...but it makes the gun that much tighter in lock up I guess. And the sleeved barrel looks a bit odd from the front, but that's not the end I look at when shooting. For me, here at this point in life, (pushing 71 this coming May) it's function over form every time...as Whelen said so many decades ago, "only accurate guns are interesting". That's a truth be told. S&W has achieved that in the M69 and in a package that's a mite easier to tote on the gun belt.

Here's a pic of the 69 with the 629 shown for size comparison. The 629's grips are similar but just don't feel as comfortable as those on the 69, but work equally well in handling recoil.

Best Regards, Rod

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Very nice review! I haven't been able to handle one yet and your mention that unloaded, it's about the same as a Mod 19, well that about seals the deal for me. I need a midweight belt gun for both everyday use and running around in mountain lion country.
 
I am optimistic that the 2.75" guns will have a full length ejection stroke. The model 66 and the model 69 both use a ball detente lock on the yoke. With the ball detente, they do not need a locking bolt to lock the tip of the extractor rod. With no locking bolt needed, the 2.75" barrel should be long enough for a full length extractor rod.
 
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