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S&W Shield owners. Do you have trouble seating 7 round mag?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Orion8472, Jun 22, 2012.

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  1. Orion8472

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    I was watching a video of a lady who owns one that she really likes, but was showing how it was hard to get the magazine [7 rounder] into the gun when it is fully loaded. Has anyone else experienced this?
     
  2. Shipwreck

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    It is harder to seat than the 8 rounder, but I don't really have an issue. Just slap it in.
     
  3. basicblur

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    No problem so far.
     
  4. Orion8472

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    Well, from the video, she inserted the magazine to where the top bullet made contact, . . . and then she REALLY pushed hard to get it to lock in place. I was just wondering if this was a common characteristic or if she may have an odd issue with hers.
     
  5. charlesmmaynard

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    Both mine and my fathers are a little tough to get seated properly... But nothing that i would be concerned about...
     
  6. basicblur

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    Link to video?
     
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    No problem with the M&P .40 mags.
     
  9. gemini

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    Its takes very little effort, just slam it in.
     
  10. basicblur

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    Perhaps that does look a bit too tough, but we don't know how strong she is, or exactly how hard she's pushing.

    I noticed at the beginning of the video, during her shooting / reloading, she's not being nearly forceful enough with the reloads.

    Don't know if she's a new shooter, but I often have to point out to a number of 'em I've helped get into SD lately - there are very few things you do with a gun (during normal operation) that shouldn't be done with much more authority than they're used to.
    I've had to stop a number of 'em from riding the slide and reloading too gently - her reload technique looks problematic!?

    Fer myself, I might insert a new magazine as gingerly as she does just to make sure everything's OK, but after determining there are no hangs, etc, that's probably the last time you'll see me shoving it in without being quick / forceful.
     
  11. jfrey

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    Do you have a problem seating a 7 round mag?

    In a word - No.
     
  12. 9mmepiphany

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    I watched the video and came to the same conclusion I formed after reading your description...she isn't doing it correctly.

    This is a sub-compact gun, everything has be done to reduce the external package for marketing. That usually means that everything will be a little more stout...like pulling back the slide.

    She shouldn't be sliding the magazine gently into the grip frame and then expect it to engage with a gentle push. There is too much pressure from the magazine spring for that to happen. (you need the increased pressure to rise the cartridge column faster during the smaller operation window of the faster slide) The magazine needs to be aligned with the magazine well and then slammed into the frame
     
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    I've been a YouTube subscriber to Faila and have seen a lot of her shooting and concealed carry videos. I don't think she's doing it wrong. If she says it's hard to seat, it's hard to seat.

    Doing it wrong doesn't explain 1) why she has no problem with the 8 round magazine, and 2) why she never complained about her M&P compact, Walther PPQ, or PPS.

    The 7 round magazines must be at the limit of spring compression when loading against a closed slide.
     
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    I didn't say she was doing it wrong. Wrong isn't the same as not correctly.

    Correctly would be the optimal method for the factors involved...higher spring rate due to less space...as I explained in the following two paragraphs
     
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    Did you watch her reloads at the beginning of the video?
    I'd be willing to bet if she takes a class, one of the first things an instructor (well, a competent one) would zero in on would be her reloads. She looks like she slides the mag in lightly to the point of resistence, then clicks it in place.

    When I reload, it's quick, forceful, and with the same force for the entire reload stroke. If I reloaded as she is in the beginning of the video, I wouldn't have confidence that the mag was truly seated / locked in.
     
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    Part of it is that she isn't grabbing or holding the magazines correctly when bringing them up for the reload. The fumble will cause hesitation in the insertion of the magazine into the magazine well.

    But then I don't think the point of the video was to demonstrate proper technique...a reinforcement of this belief would be the trigger control being demonstrated...as much as it was to express an opinion based on her experience with a new gun.
     
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    And yet the 8 round mags aren't an issue for her.
     
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    The Shield mags can be hard to seat if the last round in the mag isn't pushed back all the way in the mag, but this is true of most other pistols as well.
     
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    A larger window of functionality allows the use of a less than optimal technique...it doesn't make the technique more optimal. If one insist on using a less than optimal technique, one should choose guns/magazines that have larger windows of functionality.

    It is much like the difference between 8-round 1911 magazines having bodies which have flush baseplates and ones having extended baseplates. The extra length offers a wider conditions under which it will function acceptably.

    Another well known example are Kahr pistols requiring that the slide be released using the slide stop during the break-in period. This is due to a combination of high recoil spring pressure, tight tolerances and short grip frame, combined with many users using less than optimal technique when racking the slide. Stoppages aren't a design flaw, they are user technique deficiencies...it is just easier to avoid the complaints by recommending a workaround to begin with.
     
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    If its any help i have the m&p 9c and seating the magazines in it is a little stiff but its definately not an issue.
     
  22. ares338

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    I just have a problem finding a Shield to buy.
     
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    I have been trying to get my wife to watch some of this young lady's videos.
     
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    YES! Went to Range today. I had trouble w/extended mag. In Fact, after every shot fired the mag partially ejected. Did not have this issue w/flush mag. I believe this to be operator error?
     
  25. 9mmepiphany

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    Are you shooting with your thumbs locked down or thumbs up/forward?
     
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