S&W to buy Taylor Cutlery brands for $$$

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  1. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

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    Congratulations to Stewart Taylor for the original move to acquire the S&W branding for knives way back when and parleying it into an unheard of profit in the knife industry.
     
  2. Barry the Bear

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    Does this mean that we may get some American made Smith branded knives?
     
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    I doubt it.

    If they did the knives would have to be priced out of their target market.

    Not a lot of gun guys willing to spend even $50 on a knife.
     
  4. MAKster

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    Taylors business model is Chinese made knives sold under established American names to give the impression the knives are made in the USA. I guess it's profitable but no thanks.
     
  5. 19-3Ben

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    Not my cuppa tea.
    I remember ordering a Schrade Tough Tool right after Taylor bought Schrade. My USA made ToughTool that had been used daily and beaten severely for 10 years was tighter and locked more solidly than the Chinese one fresh out of the box.

    That said, it's a free market, and they seem to be making money by selling their trashy knives. They're just not making any of that money from me.
     
  6. Bobson

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    Is "Taylor" a knife name I should know, or are they more of a behind the scenes group like Freedom Group?
     
  7. kozak6

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    Nah, not even.

    They mostly import cheap Chinese knives under the licensed brands of S&W, Imperial, Schrade, and Schrade's sub-brands Uncle Henry and Old Timer.

    Most of their knives are traditional slipjoints or cheesy "tactical" knives.
     
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    It gives Smith some control over just what cheesy tactical knives now get their logo. I expect that they will upgrade their line and a lot of models will drop out. I surfed their branded offerings coming in from offshore and there were literally hundreds of knives. It's been diluting the value of their Brand in the knife industry and the models which did have some provenance with LEO's and users like us suffered from it.

    The one place I could count on seeing them was in auto parts stores and flea markets - with Smith now controlling things they might get a better distribution network, including S&W dealers.

    China offers some absolutely crushing values in knives, from the Ganzo 7212 at $18 shipped to high end models from Kizer and Reate. It's been the Chinese who supply Benchmade, Spyderco, Kershaw, CRKT, and Boker who have proven they can put out a world class product. All you have to do is specify it and they make it. Like most of the LED screens in our living rooms. Those seem to work just fine.

    I expect good things and a major upgrade in S&W's branded line.
     
  9. Zeke/PA

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    Actually, some of the Chinese Schrades aint bad knives!
    I hate to say THAT but , Facts are Facts.
    For Me? I gotta enough Schrade knives, I don't need the Chinese faction!
     
  10. bannockburn

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    This to me is the benchmark of S&W made knives. Designed by Blackie Collins (who also assisted in setting up the knife making operation at S&W), and made in the mid '70s it is an extremely well made factory knife. I still kick myself for not buying the Bowie knife or the Folding Hunter lockblade knife. Both were fine designs and had a first rate quality to them.

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  11. hso

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    70's S&W knives like bannockburn's were nice knives.

    Only if you're reallllly a knife nut. It just started with Stewart Taylor in the 70's importing actually good knives mostly made in Japan and Taiwan. He was one of the first what would become "tactical" knife importers. Their quality fell off to a high volume lower price point line. Any knife company worth $85M is worth knowing something about.
     
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    I had a s&w frame lock from them back when I was in highschool that was fairly decent if a bit soft. hopefully with s&w at the helm the qc will get closer to that knife compared to the stuff I've seen from them recently
     
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    After having examined a few Taylor knives - no thanks.
     
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    85M seems quite high except if s&w gets production facilities in the deal.
     
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    I got 2 Taylor made pocket Knifes and a S&W Folder . The Folder nearly 10years old and still works fine. The other 2 I got in early part of 2016and are still being field tested by me.
     
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    The Taylor Brand Schrades are an insult to the Schrade name. I've had a couple of their "versions" of real Schrades. Absolute garbage.
    I doubt Smith will bring them back home and have them made right.
    They've been making their guns cheaper for decades. I see no reason the knives wouldn't follow suit.
    I don't see why they'd have to charge an arm and a leg for a well made US knife.
    I consider Case, Bear, and Buck (US made models) to have price points that are very livable.
     
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    Just before Schrade closed I bought several Schrade, Old Timers from a local Mom & Pop store that was selling out. I bought several Case knives at the same time at a drastically reduced price.
    Glad I have'em as all are in original boxes!
     
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    anyone make a "good" schrade old timer type knife anymore? My little girl wants one and I don't want to give her garbage. She's using my spare Kershaw chive right now.
     
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    Are you just wanting a multi-blade slipjoint, or something more specific?
     
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    Check ebay i used to see alot of the US made ones on there for pretty cheap new in box as well
     
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    Selling the S&W brand name to be used on low price Chinese knives really cheapened the brand in my eyes. Colt did the same.

    So when will we see cheap Chinese made, S&W branded, firearms?
     
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    how do I identify a "good" one? I don't know enough about them to know the model numbers or identify chinese ones.
     
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    1KPerDay,

    The early American made ones between 1974 to 1985 are what are desirable. http://www.ggarchives.com/bangor-punta/smith-wesson/1982-sporting-goods-catalog/19-folding-custom-etched-knives.html#axzz4IrPtjtA7

    Good thread at S&W with a lot of pictures. http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-knives-collectables/92359-s-w-knife-photos.html

    sw_sportsman_no_zpsy02t5lkg.jpg

    http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XS%26W+vintage+knife.TRS0&_nkw=S%26W+vintage+knife&_sacat=0

    There are also on Arizona Custom Knives - http://www.arizonacustomknives.com/survival-bowie-by-smith-and-wesson-165570.aspx http://www.arizonacustomknives.com/survival-knife-by-smith-and-wesson-162915.aspx

    Below is an iknifecollector piece by Gus Marsh that I significantly agree with, but differ in where I personally start and stop valuing S&W knives (any early Collins design/made is good and any of the Ultrathin and metal frame or body folders made in the USA).
     
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