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S397 how your senator voted

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  1. 4thHorseman

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    U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 1st Session

    as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate


    Vote Summary

    Question: On Passage of the Bill (Passage of S. 397, As Amended )
    Vote Number: 219 Vote Date: July 29, 2005, 05:11 PM
    Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
    Measure Number: S. 397 (Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act )
    Measure Title: A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others.
    Vote Counts: YEAs 65
    NAYs 31
    Not Voting 4
    Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State


    Alphabetical by Senator Name Akaka (D-HI), Nay
    Alexander (R-TN), Yea
    Allard (R-CO), Yea
    Allen (R-VA), Yea
    Baucus (D-MT), Yea
    Bayh (D-IN), Nay
    Bennett (R-UT), Yea
    Biden (D-DE), Nay
    Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
    Bond (R-MO), Yea
    Boxer (D-CA), Nay
    Brownback (R-KS), Yea
    Bunning (R-KY), Yea
    Burns (R-MT), Yea
    Burr (R-NC), Yea
    Byrd (D-WV), Yea
    Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
    Carper (D-DE), Nay
    Chafee (R-RI), Nay
    Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
    Clinton (D-NY), Nay
    Coburn (R-OK), Yea
    Cochran (R-MS), Yea
    Coleman (R-MN), Yea
    Collins (R-ME), Yea
    Conrad (D-ND), Yea
    Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
    Corzine (D-NJ), Nay
    Craig (R-ID), Yea
    Crapo (R-ID), Yea
    Dayton (D-MN), Nay
    DeMint (R-SC), Yea
    DeWine (R-OH), Nay
    Dodd (D-CT), Nay
    Dole (R-NC), Yea
    Domenici (R-NM), Yea
    Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
    Durbin (D-IL), Nay
    Ensign (R-NV), Yea
    Enzi (R-WY), Yea
    Feingold (D-WI), Nay
    Feinstein (D-CA), Not Voting
    Frist (R-TN), Yea
    Graham (R-SC), Yea
    Grassley (R-IA), Yea
    Gregg (R-NH), Yea
    Hagel (R-NE), Yea
    Harkin (D-IA), Nay
    Hatch (R-UT), Yea
    Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
    Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
    Inouye (D-HI), Nay
    Isakson (R-GA), Yea
    Jeffords (I-VT), Yea
    Johnson (D-SD), Yea
    Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
    Kerry (D-MA), Nay
    Kohl (D-WI), Yea
    Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
    Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
    Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay
    Leahy (D-VT), Nay
    Levin (D-MI), Nay
    Lieberman (D-CT), Nay
    Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
    Lott (R-MS), Yea
    Lugar (R-IN), Yea
    Martinez (R-FL), Yea
    McCain (R-AZ), Yea
    McConnell (R-KY), Yea
    Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
    Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
    Murray (D-WA), Nay
    Nelson (D-FL), Yea
    Nelson (D-NE), Yea
    Obama (D-IL), Nay
    Pryor (D-AR), Yea
    Reed (D-RI), Nay
    Reid (D-NV), Yea
    Roberts (R-KS), Not Voting
    Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
    Salazar (D-CO), Yea
    Santorum (R-PA), Yea
    Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
    Schumer (D-NY), Nay
    Sessions (R-AL), Yea
    Shelby (R-AL), Yea
    Smith (R-OR), Not Voting
    Snowe (R-ME), Yea
    Specter (R-PA), Yea
    Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
    Stevens (R-AK), Yea
    Sununu (R-NH), Not Voting
    Talent (R-MO), Yea
    Thomas (R-WY), Yea
    Thune (R-SD), Yea
    Vitter (R-LA), Yea
    Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
    Warner (R-VA), Yea
    Wyden (D-OR), Nay
     
  2. Xori Ruscuv

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    Heya folks!

    I've been posting at 1911forum for a long time, and lurking here for a while. I decided it was about time that I register here and post, so here I am. Hi! :)

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    On topic: Go figure. Washington's senators both voted "no". Doesn't surprise me, coming from the hippie-laden northwest Washington. :fire:
     
  3. SouthpawShootr

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    Well at least my two senators voted right. What irks me is that there's always people not voting (usually more than the 4 this time). Giving consideration for ill health, family emergencies, and the like, these guys are paid (a sizable salary I might add) to be there and vote. Whenever a lawmaker misses a vote, I'd like to know exactly where he/she was and what he/she was doing the was so damn important. Like to see that in print.
     
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    Dodd - Lieberman?

    :barf:

    And that's all I have to say about THAT!
     
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    gee, i wonder how mine voted...
     
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    Sort of strange, don't you think? The gun Nazi didn't vote.
     
  7. dpesec

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    My RINOs were split

    DeWhine voted against the bill, Surprise surprise.
    Now the real shocker is that Voinovich voted for it. :what:
    I sent a letter to each expressing my "appreciation" on how they voted :evil:
     
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    I can see through the records that Bayh (D-IN) may not be a Kennedy but he is anti.
    Can also see through the records that Lugar (R-IN) is on the wrong side of most of the issues up this past week.

    All of the 109th congresses Senate votes are here:
    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_109_1.htm

    S.397 begins at about vote # 206. The various recorded votes on amendments until final passage streach up to about 219.

    The RINO is up first for re-election. Lets show him the door.
     
  9. shermacman

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    Well! Lookkee here! My esteemed senator, John Fraud Kerry, showed up to vote! Against, too! Imagine that! Last time I saw hime, he was crawling on his belly hunting deer.

    "Can I get me a huntin' license here?"

    Guess he figures that his $15,000 shotgun manufacturer won't be in the cross hairs of these lawsuits...

    Anybody know if Jean Fraud Kerry ever served in Vietnam? He would be about the right age, I have never heard him mention it.
     
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    I find that strange myself. Maybe she's starting to waffle.

    As far as my two knuckleheads, I think I WILL email them both and make sure it sticks in their craws a bit. This oughta be fun! Thanks to whoever's idea it was!

    :evil:
     
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    Perhaps a more important question is how they voted on the amendments. Any data?
     
  12. Standing Wolf

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    Colorado's representative of the Democratic (sic) party surprised me by voting in favor of the bill.
     
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    Allard in CO voted Yea, no surprise, I helped on his last campaign. Surprised that my communist senator Salazar also voted Yea. There must me subltle shades of gray between the democommunists that I don't understand. Anyone understand???
     
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    Allard Yea and Salazar Yea...

    Alles Gut! And Salazer a democrat too.
     
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    Wow, how did Louis. get Landrieu to vote yea?
     
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    Some representatives of the Democratic (sic) party are shrewd enough to understand that anti-Second Amendment bigotry costs them votes. Many aren't.
     
  17. 4thHorseman

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    Standing Wolf, I believe you are right. :)
     
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    My two guys are pretty faithful, this one, Inhofe, very much so! The other one, Coburn, has a 100% rating by the NRA


    James Inhofe on Gun Control

    * Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (re-authorization of assault weapon ban)

    * Voted NO on background checks at gun shows.

    * Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows.

    * Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks.

    * Rated A+ by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record.





    Something else I ran across..........why we have an uphill battle.

    # 40% of all US homes have guns
    # 81% of Americans say that gun control will be an important issue in determining which Congressional candidate to vote for.
    # 91% of Americans say that there should be at least minor restrictions on gun ownership;
    # 57% of Americans say that there should be major restrictions or a ban. Child-Safety Locks

    Since 1939, the Supreme Court has not heard any further 2nd amendment cases; the most recent ruling, in 1997, overturned part of the 1993 Brady Bill, but did not address 2nd amendment rights.





    A few generalizations.............

    # Liberals and populists generally favor more gun laws. Look for buzzwords like "more registration" or "more licensing" to describe seeking further restrictions legal ownership; or "close the loopholes" and "restrict access" for further restrictions on illegal ownership.

    # Moderate liberals and populists will generally favor more restrictions on ownership while paying lip-service "sportsmen's rights" or respecting "the right of self-protection." A moderate compromise is to "extend waiting periods" before allowing ownership, to perform "background checks" of varying degrees of severity.

    # Conservatives and libertarians generally oppose gun laws. Look for buzzwords like "Second Amendment rights" or "allow concealed carry". A call for "instant background checks" pays lip-service to gun-control advocates: it sounds like a restriction, but means allowing purchasing guns on the spot.

    # Moderate conservatives and libertarians oppose gun laws while acknowledging that restrictions are inevitable. Look for buzzwords like "enforce existing gun laws," which implies not passing any NEW gun laws. Similarly, "more strict enforcement" of gun laws implies a pro-Gun Rights stance, unless it is accompanied by a call for new gun laws.

    # Centrists and moderates from both the right and left generally support restrictions on juvenile access to guns, especially in the wake of tragedies like Littleton and other gun-related deaths.

    # Positive mentions of the NRA (the National Rifle Association, the largest pro-gun rights lobbying group) implies support of gun rights, while opposing the NRA or "taking on the gun lobby" implies support of gun restrictions. Amendment II to the US Constitution
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. (1791)

    Source
     
  19. Cesiumsponge

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    Oh gee, Democratic Ms. Maria Cantwell and Democratic Ms. Patty Murray of my state of WA both voted "no" to the bill...what a surprise. Throw in Democratic governess Christine Gregoire and you have a party :barf: I'm surprised that our gun laws are still acceptable compared to some other states like CA.
     
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    Senator Herb Kohl (D-WI) voted for the bill, but only after his amendment for mandatory trigger locks was passed.

    Herb Kohl has never met an anti-gun bill he didn't like. I could say even worse things about him (which former vice cops have told me) but I'd be risking a lawsuit from the wealthiest member of the US Senate.

    Trust me on this, though: Herb Kohl is running for re-election next year, and knows that he needs the votes of gun owners in an NRA-dominated state like WI. Herb Kohl got a pass from the Kennedy Crowd, got his own do-nothing amemdment passed, and will trumpet his vote to both sides.

    So, he'll play the same tune to the same union crowd.

    And they'll buy it.

    And so we go, on and on again.

    And he'll win.

    I've only met the man once or twice, but what's striking is that he's probably 5'4" or so, maybe even shorter. I was tempted to tell him to lick the lint from my navel, but thought that would be unbecoming. Not for a US senator, but for someone like me who tries to live by principles and decorum.
     
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    GunGoBoom: That's because she is well aware that her state is voting more and more politicos into office that have an R behind their name, and most of the people there take their guns seriously.
     
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    I have to wonder if the Republicans voted for the bill because of the gun ownership aspect or the big business aspect. Could be that they cared more about businesses not getting hurt than about protecting our rights. After all, these BS lawsuits could spread to other industries...
     
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    Did any amendments other than the trigger locks get tacked on?
     
  24. TonkinTwentyMil

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    A Good Post...

    ... by Marshall.

    His gun control "buzzwords" analysis cuts right to the chase.

    The only additional buzzword I can think to add is "COMMON SENSE GUN LAWS." That's inevitably woven into some Nanny-State Lib-Pol's pitch to an audience of Soccer Moms whose actual knowledge of EXISTING gun laws -- and technical knowledge of firearms -- is exceded by that of a doorknob.

    Wild Prediction: in the '08 national election, we'll hear many emotion-based pleas for (more) COMMON SENSE GUN LAWS... from a certain female senator/pesidential candidate. Just remember: it'll be For The Children (*gags*).

    And all this... from a political party whose national chairman recently pledged (between screams) to all that Gun Control was no longer a national issue grounded in his party's policy and platform.
     
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    LT, probably both, which is fine. After all, the gun manufacturers are big business and employ a lot of people. Think of all the jobs and other companies and their employees that would be negatively effected if S&W were to go under due to law suits. Same with Ruger, Browning, Remington, Winchester, etc.


    TTM, I couldn't agree more.
     
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