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Sacramento Sheriff cracking down on gun permits

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by wuluf, Jan 14, 2008.

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  1. wuluf

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    http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/631894.html

    And my response:

    First, let me thank the Bee for exposing corruption and malfeasance regarding issuance of concealed carry permits in the past. This practice was unfair and should be exposed, stopped and corrected. However, at the end of your article, you point to a study of 691 permit holders and the research that shows that that group has three times the arrest record than that of the control group, and you quote the Center for Violence Prevention Research Center that this "hints that guns in a shall issue state might get into the wrong hands".. Instead of hints from a statistically insignificant group, why not use the evidence of 22 years in 37 states that are shall issue? In none of these states is the permit holders arrest record significantly higher than the population at large, nor is the crime rate higher (in fact it's often lower) after shall issue is passed. These facts are in evidence to any who honestly investigate the issue. Thanks, Wuluf
     
  2. Pilgrim

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    You're being too kind. The Sac Bee has had years to investigate favoritism in the issuance of CCW permits by the previous Sheriff and chose not to do so.
    Pilgrim
     
  3. Gunnerpalace

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    Why would you even say something like that?

    That could be compared to a construction worker saying "I don't need heath insurance as I don't were a hard hat"
     
  4. CountGlockula

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    RANT is now ON!!!

    Let's see...

    I'm a law-abiding citizen, no DUIs, no criminal record, passed an LEO background test, own legal firearms, practice self-defense, have a stable job, great wife, responsible:neener:...AND again...why can't I get an CCW?

    Oh yeah I forgot: I don't have a spare $25,000 to contribute to those that can issue a CCW, nor am I a political or famous figure.

    It's very sad when "self-defense" or "2nd Amendment right" doesn't apply as a good cause.

    RANT is now OFF.
     
  5. TAB

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    Living in sac most of my life, CCW will never be issued here unless one of two things happen:

    1 CA pass a "shall issuse law"(yeah thats going to happen)

    2 complete removal of all of the "old guard" in the sherriffs deptment.(might happen, but I doubt it)
     
  6. chris in va

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    Hey, you never know. There's 30 new slots available!:D
     
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    Notice here what the control group is (aside from being a poor statistical study to begin with).

    They were compared to statewide Conceal Carry APPLICANTS.

    Not to statewide data for citizens in general.

    Another thing to note is, those who apply for a concealed carry permit statewide in California are EXTREMELY unlikely to be arrested for violent crime.

    What they say in the study is not as important as what they (I will guess intentionally) ignore.
     
  8. Standing Wolf

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    My response to that predicament was to return to the United States. I applied for my Colorado permit 31 days after moving here, and received it about three weeks later. I haven't left the house without a gun since then. Life is much safer.
     
  9. TAB

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    Already have that planed out... infact friday I got plan approval to start construction on a house. When my grandparents pass I will move out of state.
     
  10. FourTeeFive

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    Checking online, I found this tidbit:

    Something doesn't compute...
     
  11. CWL

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    FourTeeFive,
    Makes sense when you are selling permits in return for money/favors to non-residents.

    What doesn't make sense is how Sean Penn lives in super-ultra-liberal-antigun Marin County, has battery arrests on his record and has been issued a pistol permit.
     
  12. Valkman

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    That is how permits have always been granted in Sac Co., well ever since they changed the law that said any sheriff in the county could issue permits. When I lived in Elk Grove I had a permit out of Isleton but when I went to renew through Sac Co Sheriff's Office I knew I had no chance - the application is long and the questions designed to find some reason to deny you. It takes a hefty campaign donation to get one.
     
  13. Soybomb

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    Hmm so a corrupt licensing system leads to you have licensed people who tend to not be the cream of the crop of society. For some reason this isn't shocking. Shame on the sheriff for going along with that system to begin with.
     
  14. Gunnerpalace

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    Well, he has always bragged about his generous donations.

    Now I know why. :rolleyes:
     
  15. TAB

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    its called the golden rule... who ever has the gold makes the rules...
     
  16. thorn726

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    so that is a bit odd- i am going to guess since Isleton is not a county, the sheriff was issuing over a wider area..yeah, take a look at the map, it's in
    Sacramento County
     
  17. Valkman

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    Back then any police chief in the county could issue permits and it became well known that Chief Byrd was "shall issue". I got a permit through him but it was only good for one year. I did get to renew it once before they changed the law and ran him out of office.

    Isleton is a teeny town on the Sacramento River, home of the Crawdad Festival!
     
  18. TAB

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    Don't forget about he police cheif in west sac( for the life of me can't remember his name) all you need was a PO box in yolo county.
     
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    Quote: Tracking 691 people who got permits in Isleton for three years, the researchers found their arrest rate for violent crimes nearly three times that of a control group of statewide applicants.

    Checking online, I found this tidbit:


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    The 2007 Isleton, CA, population is 803.

    Something doesn't compute...
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    In a few (political correct) kind words.. Day Laborers

    Should go up every month if ya check..


    Ls
     
  20. jrfoxx

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    Well, at least you have finally relized that your life is not NEARLY as important as that of someone who's rich, famous, or in politics.Glad you finally understand your place and worth in the world.....(<--- this is heavy sarcasm for those who may be sarcastically impaired)
     
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