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Sad case at my High School (where I teach)

Discussion in 'Legal' started by silverlance, Aug 11, 2005.

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  1. silverlance

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    There is a LOT of brown-black violence going on right now down by Florence and the 110 onramp in Los Angeles. Flores Gang here has killed multiple black boys and recently, smoked two cops. The Bloods (playboy and 42nd street) have done likewise...

    One of my 11th grade kids (one of the good ones) got arrested last night. He was walking out of a Carl's Jr with a friend after eating, and got accosted by a big gangster from Florence Gang (flores).

    The big guy got up in their face and then got another step closer... so Mario (who is about 5'7 and skinny) pops the guy as fast as he can with a right hook and when his friend hits the guy too Mario kicks him in the face as hard as he can and runs like the dickens.

    now mario isn't a perfect kid - he's on probation, but he shows up to class everyday at 1st period, does all his homework, etc, never even makes any threat to anyone or refernces to gangs. no tats.

    well the cops come, mario is still running from the gangster - and he realizes that he might get caught by the cops, who think he is running from them, so he ditches all his stuff (id, bus pass, etc). a big cop catches up to him, throws him to the ground, cuffs him. they don't read him his rights until he gets to the station, but try to make him talk in the car. he says he doesn't want to talk.

    they refuse to let him call his mother for four hours, and try to make him talk about gang activity by acting friendly and asking things like, "so you know a little about the boys around here, what's been going on?"

    he tells them that he's not into that...

    then at about 4 am the cops start asking them, "what are you two mexicans doing at etc, etc..."
    so mario says, "no offense, but my friend here is cuban, and some people take offense if you call them mexican"
    the cop says, ok, we'll call him a cuban motherf**** then...
    they also give each boy a blank piece of paper and ask them to "write their feelings down"

    at 4:30 in the morning they finally uncuff him, tell him he's being charged with felony aggravated assault (the officers claim they never saw the gangster, that they only saw him beating someone - which they haven't been able to find) and felony possession of a marker over 1 inch (which he was given at work to mark boxes for loading), give him what could hopefully be a fake "ticket" (which is common around here when they want to make kids go to court and then find out that nobody knows who they are) and drop him off exactly where they found him, on a corner behind a laundromat.

    this morning he still has the cuts from where the cuffs were - he said that he'd asked to have them loosened only to have them tightened. i could also see where his face had met ol' papa concrete.

    this kid is no saint, but i know he's not lying. as a teacher (or anyone, really) after you've spent a long time with them you know when someone is lying and when they aren't.

    with behavior of the LAPD like this, is it no small wonder that all my kids call cops "pigs" and hate the cops? i try to tell them that not all cops are like that, but when this is all they see, it's hard for them not to tell THEIR kids the same story....
     
  2. Steve in PA

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    And you know this because you were there and witnessed everything first hand, or because your student told you his version? :rolleyes:
     
  3. Vitamin G

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    I work with teenagers.

    Rule 1 : Don't trust them.
    Rule 2 : They manipulate.
    Rule 3 : They triangulate, and attempt to split authority figures.

    This is particularly applicable if :

     
  4. Old Fuff

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    I don't like what I read either, but I've know that from previous varified news reports that there have been problems with the L.A. Police in the area mentioned.

    So I won't jump to any conclusions, but will (unfortunately) accept that what silverlance posted could be true. I don't know that the cops in question are necessarily saints either ... :rolleyes:

    And while there are a lot of bad teens there are also good ones, and I'll take the teacher's word for it that this kid is going to school, working at it, and apparently holding down some kind of a job besides.

    In my eyse that buys him some creditability, and I wish him (and his teacher) some good luck. The Old Fuff knows what they are up against.
     
  5. Dead

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    "Felony possesion of a marker over 1inch"?? Whoa! What next crayons?
     
  6. MrTuffPaws

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    What is up with the marker? You can get a felony over a marker?
     
  7. SLCDave

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    Grafitti is a serious problem, so it has been lumped in with other serious crimes that were never intended to be felonies. Try and keep up. ;)
     
  8. Shalako

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    Its used for tagging. Stopsigns, bus stops, cars, doors, fences, windows, urinals, whatever. Its pretty much everywhere and I can never read what they say. :confused:
     
  9. boofus

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    ***. Here in TX I can carry a full blown machinegun around legally and most cops wouldn't even care. But over there you can lose all of your voting and gun rights over an ink MARKER??? Are we even in the same country any more? :confused:
     
  10. HankB

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    A kid on probation is charged with two felonies (including marker possession?!?!) one of which was violent, ditches all his ID before he's caught, and then the cops just gave him a ticket and simply dropped him where they found him?

    The story sounds very, VERY fishy. I won't evey TRY to guess which parts - if any - are true.
     
  11. bg

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    When you find out, let me know..
    Nope. This is the iron skirts of Corruptfornia. If one wants to see how
    trully things are down in L.A and surrounding areas, one has to go to the
    circus and view SoCal thru one of those mirrors that bestows the
    distorted..

    L.A and now most of the coastal Cal area and inwards or is that inbred,
    have fallen to the mad hatter..I'm 70 miles east, and I see the tumor
    from the L.A basin growing larger and more malignant out here everyday.

    The chronicle above surprises me not at all.. :(
     
  12. Standing Wolf

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    I'm sure I'll always miss the temperate climate and beaches.

    I'm getting along just fine without mild weather.
     
  13. Jim March

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    Folks, I had a public defender EMail me today about a knife case where the guy clearly has done NOTHING wrong. They're still trying to prosecute.

    This state's law enforcement has headed straight to the toilet. I've personally seen things worse than the incident at the top of this thread so yeah, I believe the kid.
     
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    And then the cops wonder why people don't respect them.
     
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    I'd think of teaching school somewhere else.... "or having a camera installed in the classroom for protection and wearing body armor and having some pistols handy in nearby hidden locked locations."
     
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    And cops wonder why people believe everything they hear about them is true. You may hate cops, but that will only last until you need to call them for their services.. Funny how that works :rolleyes:
     
  17. Gunsnrovers

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    That part kinda throws it.

    My wife teaches in Inglewood (I substituted there for a year in 2001). It's a tough place to be, but the LAPD problems are certainly not a one way street.
     
  18. Hawkmoon

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    Oh ......... My ........ Gawd :barf:
     
  19. KriegHund

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    Seems more to me like...

    1- Teens are emotianal.
    2- Teens think they are way smarter than they acutally are
    3- They can be fatally loyal or really bad backstabbers.
     
  20. silverlance

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    no, I don't believe kids... as a matter of fact, having been around for a while (taught ex-cons in community colleges, taught juves in high school, taught the mothers of kids in jail at CSULA...) I tend not to believe any of them. after all, I wasn't a saint either... if not for a couple of good friends and a knack for a few things I would have become Black Dragon or WC or any of those other asian triads that were running around when I was in HS. I got picked up by the cops once and when my friends heard about it they shamed me so much, called me a low-life, all that stuff - that I never went near that way again.

    anyway.

    point is, PEOPLE are generally liars when there is something to be gained regardless of age - it's just that teens have a slight advantage because they appeal to our sense of (oh, i was there once). one of these days i'll tell you about the heartbreakingly pretty 15 year old girl that got her friend drunk so that she'd be ok with hooking herself in the bathroom during lunch to a campus security slime...

    but this kid really has been working hard, never been tardy once until today even though my class starts at 7:35am (and one has to realize that this is a school whose "failed to graduate" rate is about 51%).... and he has absolutely nothing to gain (except maybe the pleasure of talking to me or impressing me... yeah...) by making this stuff up.

    and as for markers.. yeah, i believe him, because here at my high school getting caught with a sharpie (permanent marker) is a misdemeanor with a $250-$750 fine if they can show that you have intent to tag...and intent to tag can be as silly as picking up the kid's folder and pointing to writing on the cover - even if the writing is the kid's own name. as long as it LOOKS like tagging writing, it's considered intent to tag... now how many of you liked to write your name in "fancy letters" when you were in grade school? esp. if all the "fancy letters" you see are on walls? how would your writing look?

    the $250-750 fine is another travesty.. it's supposed to shock the parents into disciplining their kids, but what it really does is make them beat their kids, kid (who never got much attention to begin with) runs away from home... etc...

    nor are the cops the big bad jack booted thugs of indiana jones, either - some are very good at heart, but then the media loves to portray cops as low lifes and when you get beaten over the head repeatedly for all sorts of slime you didn't do (ie., beat kids, shoot w/o provocation, etc), and after while you get kind of bitter... and bitter cops are dangerous.

    and, one cannot forget that while many cops are intelligent, wise, and stalwart members of our society, there are many (esp. in LA) that are doing it just because it pays 45k to start and are not only crummy cops, but stupid as a pile of poop to boot. i should know - i tutored many would-be cops who couldn't spell, read, or (most disturbingly) make simple logical connections.

    everyone down here knows that any cop who really wants to make a difference would be hard pressed to do so in LAPD - so the dept. often takes candidates that are less than sterling simply because they need people so badly.

    and as for my own experiences with cops in LA? well, they sure aren't like the ones in the town i grew up in... when I got a ticket at age 18 for making an illegal u-turn, i accepted the ticket, thanked the cop, and offered to shake his hand. he looked at me and said, "I don't want to shake your hand".... =\

    then when i was burgled a few months ago I called 911, got a busy signal for 10 mins, got through, put on hold for 30 mins, then waited 9 1/2 hours for cops to show up to pick up the tools that the theives had accidentally left behind and fingerprint the house. by that time it was 3:30 in the morning and since i hadn't been able to enter the house i had a terrible backache form sitting on the driveway....

    finally, I once had a black 180lb 9th grade girl (i mention race only to describe) pull out a 4" box cutter on another student when he made as if he wanted to throw an eraser at her (he was a jerk, but um.. a knife?). i went to campus PD (we have 3 cops on duty) and reported it.

    by the time they "got around" to dealing with her, she had already gone home and then they said there was nothing they could do about it anymore.

    bear in mind that I told them at 11:14am and school lets out at 3:30pm.


    sigh*


    when i was a kid cops were always good to me... they were prompt, helpful, and always polite. they stopped to ask you if you were ok if you seemed lost, and once helped to find my little sister when she ran away from home in tears at 4 in the morning.

    then again, that was a city of something like 130,000 as opposed to LA city, which has something like (i'm guessing) 6 million people in it or so... documented.
     
  21. hillbilly

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    silverlance, I encourage to think about immigrating to the United States just as quickly as you can.

    hillbilly
     
  22. geekWithA.45

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    That's insane.

    Any jurisdiction that has designated posession of a pen to be a felony, and the ability to write as evidence of intent to commit felonious wall writing is hopeless and needs to be abandoned in haste.

    I really mean it.

    Run for your fleeping lives, and for the tattered remnants of your spirits.
     
  23. Henry Bowman

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    Apart from all the rest that may or may not have happened to this kid last night...
    If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.
     
  24. Zach S

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    Wanna bet?

    ETA: For the record, I dont hate cops, but I dont rely on them either.
     
  25. hillbilly

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    What numerous posters on this thread have said about a jurisdiction that actually has such a charge as "felonious possession of a marker" +1000!

    Get out of there, yesterday!

    It's too far gone to save.

    I'll bet not even North Korea has laws against possessing magic markers.

    Get out while you still can.

    hillbilly
     
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