SAD News-Boy killed with NFA weapon-in Mass.

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Yeah, the thing about civilians buying heavy weaponry is that it's expensive. You COULD get all sorts of ordnance as surplus in the '50s and '60s (those 20mm Lahtis, for example), but it didn't make sense for those with ill intentions to shuck out all that cash, since they could make a bomb of equal effectiveness in their kitchen for 1/100th the cost.
 
The kid should never have been using such a weapon in the first place.

The push to get young kids firing weapons designed for adults is just stupid, and everyone needs to realize that whether or not Tiny Tim can empty the magazine on a full auto weapon has absolutely no reflection on their success as a parent.

The shocking thing is that the father was a director of Emergency Medicine at his local hospital. You would think he'd have known better. You would definitely have thought that the range officer would have known better as well.

What a tragic waste of human life.
 
very sad news

I heard about this from my coworker and i was shock and confused!!how did it happen??where was the dad??when i take my kid (his only 4yrs old) shooting i sometimes let him try my ruger 22 pistol but i am the one holding the gun and he is the one pulling the trigger, my point is i will never let him shoot a semi pistol/rifle by himself not yet maybe when he is 10 or 12 ..My thoughts and prayers is with the family of the boy...
 
I think this may be the first documented case of recoil induced death. Sorry to say but it was bound to happen eventually. Human beings aren't perfect.
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Didn't at least one person die when their USGI 1911 slamfired a full mag?
 
Actually I think I've heard of a recoil induced death, but it was from the GUN actually physically striking someone in the head.

Not sure if it really happened or not, and I wouldn't even know where to search to verify it now.
 
this is very sad, and terrible. who, in their right mind would turn an 8 year old loose win a full automatic firearm!?! i stand right over top of my son while he shoots his bolt action 22. young children are simply not capable of having good sound judgement. the "supervisor" should have been right there with his hands on the firearm with the child in case something went wrong. it is cool to let your kids experience things. but it is our job to keep them safe while it happens. somebody learned a very valuable lesson that day. unfortunatly, it cost a child his life in order for him to learn it. and just for the record.... UZI does not equal death, stupidity = death!
 
The kid was at a MG shoot, what else would he want to do

why bring an eight year old to a MG shoot????????? when will common sense kick in??:banghead:
 
Didn't at least one person die when their USGI 1911 slamfired a full mag?
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I seem to remember hearing of an LEO killed when he dropped the slide on his 1911 and it went full auto. I believe the disconnector broke or something to that effect. This was in WA state in the late 70's or early 80's.
 
when will common sense kick in?
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Unfortunately the event was advertised as "full auto rock and roll." I'm sure some will disagree with me on this, but to me shooting is a little more serious than being a "rock and roll" carnival with fun for the entire family. The casual family atmosphere, and with lots of kids present, does not exactly encourage a mood of safety and caution.

As far as common sense goes, unfortunately intelligence and common sense are mutually exclusive. Sometimes they go together, sometimes not.
 
This accident and the fact that Mass. has tough gun laws, I guess, indicates that the sportsman there have some more issues to learn and resolve. It seems that the inability to change the gun laws and such tragic gun accidents as this are more than coincidental.
 
i'm with moose wth my nephews when i first started them it was at a bench with braces to both sides to restrict lateral movement and a cross piece above they hada get off seat to pull gun back enough to not have it pointed down range. littlest one wanted to try 12 guage when he did recoil bounced barrel of top bar
 
. The casual family atmosphere, and with lots of kids present, does not exactly encourage a mood of safety and caution.
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Have you ever attended one to back up this statement? I have been to many, and I've yet to see one that did not take safety extremely serious.
 
Unfortunately the event was advertised as "full auto rock and roll." I'm sure some will disagree with me on this, but to me shooting is a little more serious than being a "rock and roll" carnival with fun for the entire family. The casual family atmosphere, and with lots of kids present, does not exactly encourage a mood of safety and caution.
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While that may be the case for you or for many people's children, there is no reason why a MG shoot with adults and their kids cannot be just as safe and cautious as any other shooting event. I'm a frequent participant at MG shoots and the children of other shooters I've seen at events have, without exception, been very safe, well behaved and had a great time. That, however, requires proper supervision of the kid and the MG by the parents; something which was apparently lacking at this particular shoot, or at the very least with this particular parent.

If you don't like the full auto rock-n-roll thing, thats your perogative, but don't assume that because you don't like it and can point to one or two anomalous incidents at a MG shoot, its the type of event that necessarily involves or creates an atmosphere lacking safety & caution.
 
even if the older brother was it should never have happened safety has to be paramount if your allowing the untrained to shoot things like micro uzi.
Which an instructor demonstrating it to trained soldiers wouldn't let us have a shoot with it as he considered it hazardous to the user. This was an experienced ex special forces soldier so he knew what he was talking about and had lots and lots of interesting toys.
you need to be all over shooters like a rash short barreled fully automatic weapons are potentially the most risky weapon for inexperienced shooters.
 
even if the older brother was invovled it should never have happened safety has to be paramount if your allowing the untrained to shoot things like micro uzi'
Which an instructor demonstrating it to trained soldiers wouldn't let us have a shoot with it as he considered it hazardous to the user. This was an experienced ex special forces soldier so he knew what he was talking about and had lots and lots of interesting toys.
they you need to be all over shooters like a rash
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Dude, I don't mean to be a grammar nazi, but punctuation is your friend.
 
That, however, requires proper supervision of the kid and the MG by the parents; something which was apparently lacking at this particular shoot, or at the very least with this particular parent.
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To me the parent seems the least of it. This was a public event and the owners of the NFA weapons are going to expect the general public to know what and what not to do?

There should be no assumption at any of these events that the general public knows anything about the FOUR RULES. So whomever the "certified instructor" was would have complete responsibility when handing the weapon to an adult, teenager, or child. And where exactly does one get "certified" to instruct people on how to shoot a machine pistol?
 
There should be no assumption at any of these events that the general public knows anything about the FOUR RULES
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True, and I wouldn't necessarily expect that of anyone either, regardless of whether they were a shooter or not. But to be fair, I've seen numerous cases of absolutely idiotic behavior at the local range by older and well-experienced shooters, especially around hunting season. But in the dozens upon dozens of MG shoots I've been to, anyone (ANYONE) can declare a cease fire for safety reasons - regardless of whether they're a RSO, shooter or just a spectator. And this has been the standing rule even at large shoots, with literally hundreds of shooters and a firing line almost 1/3 of a mile, loaded with beltfeds. Moreover, renters of weapons are usually extremely careful, but to ass-ume one bad incident is indicative of the general state of affairs at these shoots is just plain ignorant of the facts. This was a tragedy, to be sure, but it was an anomalous accident nonetheless, and far less common than the usual sorts of injuries and deaths caused by irresponsible gun owners.
 
Young children should not be able to operate FA firearms, yet I see it quite often. Every time I see it happen, I get tense, thinking that this next burst might be the last thing they ever do.

Terrible tragedy.
 
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