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safe to carry a cz-82 cocked and locked?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by harmon rabb, May 4, 2009.

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  1. harmon rabb

    harmon rabb Member

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    is it? i recall seeing somewhere that it's NOT safe to do so, even though the manual claims that it is.
     
  2. nalioth

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    I believe you're thinking of the Cz-52.

    The Cz-82 is quite safe at all times, until you put your finger on the trigger.
     
  3. harmon rabb

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    no. i'm thinking of a cz-82 ;) i have specifically read something about the safety being ineffective for some reason or another.

    doesn't the cz-52 have a decocker, not a safety, anyway?
     
  4. nalioth

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    I've never heard that at all. The Cz-82 is a modern design and quite safe, so long as you keep your finger under control.
    The Cz-52 has both. Due to metallurgical issues, neither should be trusted on them.
     
  5. Rockwell1

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    The CZ -82 is designed to be carried in the half cock position. It has a rebounding ( is that the proper term?) hammer so the only way to get the hammer in contact with the firing pin is to pull the trigger.

    My wife has carried her CZ-82 in this manner for over a year no problem.

    That said the CZ is safe to carry condition 1
     
  6. Guy de Loimbard

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    The safety works well on the CZ-82, I used to carry mine c&l all the time with no issues. Only reason I still don't is because now I've switched to carrying my P64 most of the time. In any case, the trigger must be fully depressed before the hammer block will move out of the way, so even if the safety was accidentally swiped off (which would be hard to do with mine, it's pretty stiff) as long as your holster keeps things out of the trigger guard you should have no problem.

    I've never heard of a CZ-82 with a half cock position though. Mine only has two positions, hammer down and full cock. Nothing in the middle.
     
  7. harmon rabb

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    Guy, I think rockwell is referring to the rebounding hammer. Look at the hammer when it's "down." It's actually not contacting the firing pin at all.

    I ask this because, as of now, my CZ is my smallest pistol.. but the slide takes some effort to rack, so i wouldn't want to carry it without one in the chamber. Since there is no decocker, carrying cocked and locked seems the only option.

    I'm going to pick up a LCR, but I just thought this might work for now... The CZ feeds reliably and I'm accurate with it, so I'd feel comfortable defending myself with it.
     
  8. nalioth

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    Point your pistol in a safe direction. Stick your thumb on the hammer, pull the trigger, and ease the hammer down. Once the hammer moves past the 'cocked' position, remove your finger from the trigger and ease the hammer on down.

    You're now just as decocked and safe as any other modern pistol design.
     
  9. Guy de Loimbard

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    I am aware of the rebounding hammer on the CZ, I didn't think it was the same thing as a half cock though. Half cock usually involves a second notch on the hammer for the sear to catch, does it not?
     
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    I agree with Guy. Historically speaking, half cock was a second notch on the hammer that the sear could not escape. We used to test half cock by hanging a rifle from the trigger in half cock. If it let go, we would disqualify it. The rebounding hammer is effectively just in the fired position, with no tension on the hammer. A swing up block prevents contact with the firing pin until the trigger is fully depressed. So it would take pulling the trigger all of the way back to fire the chambered round.
     
  11. Ron James

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    Again, I'll ask this question, The CZ 82 has a very smooth action, why would anyone carry one " cocked and locked". And no nonsense about consistence trigger pulls. When your blood is pumping and fight or flight is kicking in, you don't have any conscious memory of pulling the trigger. Or as was suggested, just cocked? { why worry, it's only dangerous when your finger is on the trigger. . Gosh, maybe I should start carrying my double action revolvers on full cock?? What say? The CZ 82 is trigger action with a smooth pull, why not carry it .one in the chamber and hammer down? Very confusing.:confused:
     
  12. harmon rabb

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    I recently read a post on here about a guy who did that with his 1911. He did it for years. Then slipped once and the gun fired in his house.

    See above ;) I'm just not going to take the chance of manually decocking a gun that doesn't have a decocker. I'd rather carry cocked and locked. I can flip the safety off with my thumb quite easily.
     
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    Call it nonsense if you like, but there is something to be said for having a consistent trigger pull for every shot.

    I'm an instructor and I take a lot of classes and practice a lot and I still shoot my CZ-75 better in single-action mode then I do with a DA first shot and then a SA follow up shot.


    Some people don't like lowering the hammer on a loaded chamber on pistols that don't have a decock lever. Yes, it can be done safely, but it also does increase the risk of an AD if your thumb slips as you lower the hammer. Some people just aren't comfortable with the procedure or don't want to increase the risk, even if just slightly.

    It's only confusing if you believe that your choice on how to carry yoru pistol is the rght choice for everyone. There are as many valid reasons for carrying "cocked and locked" as there are for carrying DA/SA by manually lowering the hammer. Just because you prefer one way doesn't make it *the* way to go.
     
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    holy crap. that scared me. :eek:
     
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    I wish I could unread that post:what:
     
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    Yes.

    When I "decock" my wife's 82 I make sure my hands are clean and dry and I cover the hammer with my finger so if the hammer does slam forward it will squish my finger not fire the pistol.

    Please note that in loneviking's post the fault for the AD was much more with the holster than the weapon and wouldn't have happened had he been carrying cond 3
     
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    Good grief Ron, just because some people do things differently than you, don't take it as an insult eh? The OP asked if it was safe to carry cocked and locked. It is. It is also safe to carry with the safety off and the hammer down; it all boils down to personal preference. No where was it advocated that anyone carry cocked and unlocked. As for why some people would carry C&L even though the CZ has such a smooth action? Why not? It's still just as smooth, and a lot lighter in single action. Some of us like our semi-auto pistols to have a light, consistent trigger pull.
     
  20. loneviking

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    That CZ 82 is NOT safe to carry cocked and locked. If that safety comes off, which it most certainly can, that is a very light SA trigger that requires very little to fire off the gun. I"m talking from personal experience that the CZ line is a VERY bad idea to carry 'cocked and locked'. With a 1911, with 'cocked and locked' you have a grip safety as backup, but you don't with a CZ. Cocked and locked with a CZ is an accident waiting to happen.

    And an equally bad idea is trying to decock 'em with those small hammers. That's why I now have a Sig P6/225, with a decocker that is DA/SA.
     
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    I agree the SA trigger is a hair trigger and when at the range I accidently shoot an additional round because the recoil and the hair trigger. Is there a way to decock that would be the safest that you would reccomend?
     
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    Put your pinky between the hammer and the firing pin, then hold onto the hammer and release the trigger, lowering the hammer onto your pinky. Slowly ease your pinky out from behind the hammer while keeping tension on the hammer with your thumb. Yes, it's awkward but it's the only way I've found to decock one of these CZ's safely. And before you do this, drop the mag. out!
     
  23. Rockwell1

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    If you don't feel comfortable with it don't do it. I put my finger in front of the hammer so the hammer would hit my finger then ease it down.

    While I don't believe the CZ-82 is designed for condition-1 carry I believe it is safe WITH A PROPER HOLSTER. Which, you didn't have. Your AD was far more a holster failure than a mechanical failure. (which I'm sure was small comfort while you were bleeding all over the place and walking home)
     
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    I have a reason to carry my CZ-82 cocked and locked. I have very small hands. I can not hold the pistol properly and reach the trigger in double action. The C&L feature is why I bought the pistol in the first place.
     
  25. Guy de Loimbard

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    I don't know about the rest of the CZ line, but the safety engagement on the 82 is quite positive; it is much stiffer than the safety on a 1911. Besides that it's a bit smaller, and less likely to snag on things. While being accidentally swiped off is within the realm of possibilities, and has happened, I think it much more likely that it would be deliberately switched off or the user forgot to put the gun on safe in the first place, and could be avoided entirely with the proper precautions. When I carried mine I had no problems with the safety moving around, it stayed put. I used a typical IWB holster.
     
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