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Safety Bullet

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by safetybullet, Jan 24, 2004.

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  1. safetybullet

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    The Safety Bullet

    Hi,

    My name is Mike Worley I am the inventor of the Safety Bullet. Place this in your gun and if you need your firearm simply eject the bullet and its ready to fire if anyone else pulls the trigger with the Safety Bullet in it the Safety Bullet will instantly disable the firearm.

    You can check it out at www.safetybullet.com for any questions please email me at any time. If this were loaded in every gun we could end accidental shooting once and for all.

    Thanks

    Mike Worley

    First of all thanks for all the feedback. Now to answer some of your questions.

    1. No it does not jam the gun when loading and ejecting. It is tested in several models of the same caliber to make sure it preforms as promised.

    2. A snap cap does nothing other than protect the firing pin. The Safety Bullet when fired expands in the firing chamber and it can not be removed with out the ejector rod. You can not load a new and lethal round once the Safety Bullet has been fired.

    3. Compare the Safety Bullet to a cable lock. Middle of the night you have an intruder. First you go and find the key , lights out, in the dark try to put the key in the lock, undo the cable, load your gun. Or simply eject the Safety Bullet.

    - How about a gun safe. Go to the safe in the dark, if you turn the light on the intruder will know where you are, try turning the tumbler until you find the right combination and then get your gun out, or eject the Safety Bullet

    You tell me what is easier?

    For all those of you that have kids and loaded guns start reading some of the stories of accidental shootings. After you attend the kids funeral along comes the sherrif and you go to jail. Then you lose all rights of gun ownership. Its your choise.

    Nothing can touch the speed and ease of the Safety Bullet.

    One thing I have noticed in all the feedback that I have received is that no one has told me of a better safety device. If anyone knows of anything that can be used to make a firearm safer and is better than the Safety Bullet, PLEASE enlighten me.

    I reread all the feedback again and still no one has informed me of a better safety device. If anyone can think of a better way to make our guns safer I would like to hear about it. A lot of thought went into this. I will admit I do not have all the answers but I will work with anyone if the know of a better way or know how to improve on this.

    I take it most of you do not use safety devices on your guns. If you did and tested the Safety Bullet against it the Safety Bullet would be far superior to anything that you currently have.

    Again thanks for the feedback.
     
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  2. Derek Zeanah

    Derek Zeanah System Administrator Staff Member

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    So, if I grab my weapon in the night and forget about the Safety Bullet (tm) due to an adrenalin rush, I've disabled my weapon? :what: And a press-check shows that there's a round in the chamber, but doesn't indicate that it's a boobytrapped round? :scrutiny: And I'll need to make sure my non-shooting spouse is familiar with the function of the arm itself and with the need to eject the round in the chamber before firing, and we'll need to train on this constantly as she can forget in the year(s) that pass between loading the nightstand gun and it possibly needing to be used?

    I think I'll pass. I'll cross my fingers for you in the hope that you don't get sued because Mom was careless and thought the gun was "safe" because she'd chambered one of your rounds, or because someone died when trying to defend themselves and fatally wedged their firearm.

    [Edited to add] Welcome to the forum! It does sound like an interesting idea, but there are enough issues surrounding it that my first instinct is "beware!"
     
  3. Oleg Volk

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    Hi Mike, welcome to THR. I looked at your webpage and I want to commend you for putting a lot of thought into your product.

    That said, I would never use or recommend a product like The Safety Bullet to anyone. The first thing that comes to mind, is what if you needed your weapon for defensive use and you forgot that safety bullet was loaded? It leaves you with an ineffective club to defend yourself. Anyone who wanted to rely on a mechanical safety precaution like you are marketing would be served just as well by carrying in condition 3.

    Unfortunately we will never be able to devise a mechanical safety device that will be 100% reliable and instantly available for defensive use. Personally I don't think we should encourage people to rely on any mechanical device. As soon as your device receives wide distribution, someone will leave a weapon they thought was loaded with safety bullet where they shouldn't and then there will be a tragedy. I'm afraid you'll hear the same old I didn't know it was loaded excuses. Only now it will be, "I was sure I chambered a safety bullet before I laid the weapon down."

    The cause of the tragedy you documented on your website wasn't that there was no safety bullet in the chamber, it was that someone negligently left a loaded .45 auto where a child could access it. Real safety will always be found between the ears of the gun owner, no mechanical device will ever replace that.

    Jeff
     
  5. romulus

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    There is no substitute for proper firearms discipline. I agree with Derek that the disabling feature is more than I'm willing to accept. Follow the four laws of firearm safety (add the fifth, keep out of reach of children) and you'll never have an "accident". But your gun will be ready to go boom every time...
     
  6. JShirley

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    Well, all responsible gun owners do not want their firearms used in an unsafe, dangerous, or criminal way. It does make sense to take measures to ensure this does not happen.

    This is a good and bad equation. If the owner has more than one firearm, with near-instant access, well and good. They can arm themselves against the threat with the second firearm. I would tend to think that owners who had more funds would also have more secure storage options, though.

    What I am really afraid of, is someone attempting to use the firearm in a self-defense situation, and forgetting to dislodge the "Safety Bullet". They have effectively disarmed themselves.

    We all must do our duty, as we understand it, to further responsible gun ownership and handling. It is well to understand that a firearm is a mechanical device, and can malfunction when most needed. For myself, I do not wish to use a device that could incapacitate my weapon. Others may choose to do so, and I believe they are not wrong to make this choice- but, when the first person using your device dies, don't beat yourself up about it. Firearms are mechanical devices, and subject to the failings of their operators.

    Best of Luck with the invention!

    John R. Shirley
     
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    I wouldn't use it, for the reasons already mentioned above, but it does seem like a good solution to those people with youngsters running about.
     
  8. lapidator

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    Hi Mike,

    How good is you quality control? How can I be sure that if the SafetyBullet(tm) is used, it will not come apart and leave a blockage in the barrel?


    Is this some kind of joke? Ready in an instant?

    Is it not true that you are recommending that one keep his gun loaded -- just with the capacity reduced by 2? Otherwise, "ready in an instant" is meaningless no?

    http://www.safetybullet.com/pages/2/index.htm
    This kind of propaganda in and of itself would be reason enough for me to never purchase anything from you.



    Lapidator
     
  9. vmi93

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    Don't they already have these? Aren't they called "snap-caps" or "dummy cartridges?"

    I don't see any safety benefit to these either. The gun should be either empty or loaded with real ammo. No need to make things more complicated.
     
  10. Standing Wolf

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    People who can't spell shouldn't cobble together web sites.

    I believe the so-called "safety bullet" is a bad idea. Rule number one as I learned the three safety rules quite a few years ago was: "Every safety mechanism is always broken, even if it's a brand new gun." I believe it's always and everywhere a mistake to rely on any safety mechanism under any circumstances. I believe it makes infinitely more sense to teach children about firearms than try to protect them from mishandling guns.

    I believe the so-called "Safety Bullet" could easily damage a firearm, and have no doubt a second round fired after it would pose a major safety problem: an exploded barrel. I'd guess most modern gun barrels would bulge before bursting and/or exploding, but a.) there are plenty of rusty old guns taking up space in night stands, and b.) you couldn't pay me enough money to fire a round into the plugged barrels of some of the low budget firearms on the market.

    I doubt it's possible to design and manufacture a locking mechanism for firearms a child couldn't defeat, given enough time and determination and a modicum of ingenuity. There may well be child-proof safes on the market, but again, I believe it makes far more sense to gun-proof the child than try to child-proof the gun—and anyway, firearms don't offer much protection if they're not instantly accessible.

    Range time is the answer. If you've ever wanted to watch a child's eyes bulge in astonishment, fire a round at an ordinary can of soda.
     
  11. Oleg Volk

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    The safety bullet isn't easily distinguishable form a real one when chambered. Also, it seems to be a wadcutter, likely to jam a gun when hand-cycled.
     
  12. Navy joe

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    I got a lot of time reloading and lots of money spent on quality ammo to ensure I don't have a squib. I am not about to intentionally load one or two in any of my guns.

    Teach kids about guns and store them in the safe. No gimmicks. The only gunlock I have seen that I like is the one Dillon sells that goes in a 1911 magwell and the lock extends into the chamber. I sometimes use cable locks on long arms through the action. Locks are used for transport interstate and where a safe is not available and others may come across the gun in my absence only.
     
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    I can see that being able to be cycled very well. So then we you need a real bullet you're going to be in a lot of trouble.
     
  14. horge

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    I had the same thought:
    A snap-cap or an empty chamber does the same thing.

    Since a snap cap or this 'safety bullet' can theoretically snag on the ejection port if you try to rack it out under severe stress... an empty chamber seems a better safety tactic.

    Training and discipline should allow one to avail of the vital readiness of keeping one in chamber, either "cocked-and-locked" or "safety-off, long DA pull".

    JM02

    :)
     
  15. 4v50 Gary

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    Should buy a box, repackage it without the instructions and give them to the badguys. :evil:
     
  16. Ryder

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    That's interesting. As long as use remains voluntary it could be a useful tool for some. There are people who won't practice constant supervision of their kids, let alone their firearms. With so many other safety hazards to kids it's too bad a way can't be figured out to make parents responsible in all regards. the product has no utility for me. Would the type of people who negligently expose their kids to danger care enough to use these?

    My main concern with the use of this product as envisioned is that it could be activated without the owner's knowledge. Kids are not in the habit of tattling on themselves. This is going to necessitate frequently checking the readiness condition of said firearm. A simple glance isn't telling. Negligent discharges do mainly happen during handling. Statistically speaking I'd theorize that more handling is going to mean more negligent discharges. We won't be hearing as many "I thought it was unloaded" statements, they'll be exchanging that for "I thought it had a safety bullet in it".
     
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    This is an answer in search of a problem, iMHO.

    It's no. better than leaving the gun unloaded with an empty magazine beside it.
     
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    Oh this is way "better" than a snap cap. By the looks of it if you drop the hammer on it it will lodge itself in the barrel/chamber and really will, as the rep says, disable the gun. what a "great" idea.
     
  20. 7.62FullMetalJacket

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    Call then X-Treme Cop Killer Bullets and watch the murder rate drop
     
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    Definately a solution in search of a problem. I don't know how else to put it either.

    Is there any mention of the four rules on this guy's site? I didn't see any mention of them.
     
  22. SoCalGeek

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    Bottom of the main page.
     
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    Safety Bullet,

    Do not be discouraged. There are some very discerning and opinionated people here. Mucho experience.

    This may NOT be your target market.

    BTW, have you talked to a lawyer about product liability? :uhoh:
     
  24. WonderNine

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    OH! Duh!

    Thanks.
     
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    Wow that worse than having a unloaded chamber .. is some oen breaks in at 3Am when you have been out cold for a few hours are you going to rember to cycle the gun i think not
     
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