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Saiga-12 Yes or no, opinions/hate welcome

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by theken206, Nov 17, 2007.

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  1. theken206

    theken206 Member

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    Been thinking about picking one up. What do the gurus of the high road think and dont tell me saiga forum. Are mags hard to get ahold of??
     
  2. JWarren

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    I dunno about how hard the AGP Mags are to get, but I've never heard anything but praise for the Saiga 12. One may be on my list eventually.


    -- John
     
  3. Officers'Wife

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    Hi Ken,

    I have had a SAIGA 410 for seven years now. It functions flawlessly and handles well. If the 12 ga give even half the service my 410 has given me it would be an excellent investment.

    Selena
     
  4. Zundfolge

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    I sold my Tromix converted Saiga 12 and deeply regret it.

    This guy has a mess of AGP 10 round mags and at a good price http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/

    I highly recommend one.
     
  5. Hoppy590

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    i encourage the idea of a Saiga 12!
     
  6. flip180

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    I would love to have one but those 50.00 mags are what's putting me off.

    Flip.
     
  7. Wes Janson

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    Yeah, but look at how many other mags are in that price range...it's a bit steep, but it's not unreasonable, particularly when the shotgun itself is fairly inexpensive.
     
  8. Shadowangel

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    I love my Saiga-12. Need a few more mags, but otherwise i'm very pleased.
     
  9. JWarren

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    The price of mags turns a lot of people off of some firearms.

    I see that regarding the DPMS .308, the M1A, and the Saiga 308 often. All of those seem to run in the range of $30-$50 a pop for a quality one. Lately, the best price I can find for a standard AK magazine is between $15 and $20.

    As I see it, it just comes with the territory if you want that firearm. I actually considered magazines into the cost of my Saiga 308.

    -- John
     
  10. KevininPa

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    I don't know what it's worth since it's not a shotgun, but I've found my 7.62 x39 to be reliable and very well built.
     
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    I really enjoyed my time on one at the FBMG shoot in April.
     
  12. REOIV

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    Buy one.

    Don't think about it and just buy it already.

    50 dollars a mag is nothing, you can get 5 rounders for 30 to 35 bucks if the 50 dollar price for a 10 rounder is too steep. But even then how many mags do you really need? People put up without detachable magazines for pump and semi auto shotguns now why worry about detachable magazine costs? The whole reason to get a Saiga is the detachable magazine.

    What other detachable magazine fed semi auto shotguns are out there?

    The S12 is just plain bad ass, it takes most AK accessories, can be tricked out 8 ways to Sunday, is super cheap for a semi auto shotgun, it has plenty of after market parts to make it look whatever you want it to look like, it is reliable and tough as hell and has a softer felt recoil than other shotguns.

    They are the best 400+ bucks you can spend on a semi-auto shotgun.

    Even if you don't like it that much you can turn around and sell it most likely for more than you paid for it.

    Personally it is my favorite gun that I own. It is my SHTF gun and home defense gun. I slapped a Tromix shark brake on it so it can double duty as a bayonet if needed, added in a russian clamp on AK front sight, and after Christmas I will add in an ace folding stock and a tritium AK front sight post. Just one mean SOB of a gun.

    I can't wait for the 20 round drums and mag wells to come out.
     
  13. Shark32

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    It is my favorite gun in the collection.

    buy it, convert it, personalize it, and watch the value rise. Of any AK based gun, the S-12 has to be the best investment.
     
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    I don't think you'll find anyone who wouldn't recommend a Saiga let alone a Saiga-12.

    They are hard to find if you can get one for a good price then do it, why not? They are just another gun that the anti's would love to see us loose the privilege of owning so buy one while you still can.
     
  15. Vaarok

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    My Saiga 12 is the best gun I ever bought.

    I have put more than seven thousand rounds of low-brass through it, it lives at the barn for vermin and emergencies, receives no maintainence, and always works flawlessly.
     
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    Right now they are way easier to find than the gun :D
     
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    I've got absolutely NO use for one. I'd need a two round magazine just to be legal with it for what I use shotguns for. The Saiga is for the tacticool assault crowd. My, I'm just a "Fudd".
     
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    Everyone keeps saying that they are relatively cheap. Does anyone know what a reasonable price range for these guns is?
     
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    Aw MC, lighten up. You wouldn't use a woman just for having babies, would you?

    They're great guns, and I was really thinking about getting one of them last year. I settled on my .223 version of the Saiga and spent the rest of the mony building my own shotgun. One day I'd like to own one, though.
     
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    I use my Saiga for killing vermin around the barn, especially during the sub-zero winter days when flocks of starlings and pigeons invade the calf barn. I feel that any shotgun you can drop in the snow, field strip with mittens, blow the snow out of the bore of, and then reassemble and fire flawlessly in thirty-below temps is a good shotgun.

    There's a difference between a bladly utilitarian fudd and downright party-pooper. Scatterguns are fun, kalashnikov scatterguns are even funner!
     
  21. MCgunner

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    I learned the term "Fudd" on this site. While I have an SKS to play with at the range, I don't really like "plinking" with a shotgun. The SKS was just too cheap NOT to buy for having fun. Pretty solid gun, too, for the money. Actually, I have two of 'em.

    A Kalashnikov style shotgun just doesn't interest me. I could see uses for one, just don't have any use for one. I think a 12 would be excellent to tote in Alaska for bear repellent.
     
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    Thanks guys, Ill be headed to the gun shop tommorow or the next day.
     
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    I don't see the point of semi-auto shotguns with detachable magazines. The loaded magazines are very bulky and very heavy for the limited amount of rounds they hold. Once the pre-loaded magazines are used up, they are VERY slow to reload.

    I'll bet that you could load and fire 100 rounds of shotgun ammo faster from a tubular magazine semi-auto than some other shooter with a Saiga and 3 10-round detachable magazines even if he had all 3 mags fully loaded to begin with. He would get off the first 30 rounds faster than you, but after that, you would go past him like he was in reverse gear.

    Another advantage of the tube fed magazine shotgun is that you can easily "top it off" by adding another couple of rounds at any time. With a detachable magazine gun, you have to remove the magazine to add additional rounds.
     
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    Good luck -- the last shipment of S-12's dried up (mostly) around September. The next one is due to hit the states around the end of the month (so rumor control says).

    Based on recent prices, a new 19" S-12 ought to run you in the $400-$480 range...it will depend on how much the prices have gone up since the last batch. Gilbert's Guns is pre-ordering them for $460.

    As far as uses for an S12, they are versatile. I have mine set up for home defense, with the option to use it for bird hunting (an easy block installed in the 5-rd magazine) or deer hunting. It also makes people very jealous at shotgun and 3-gun competitions!

    I also like the fact that the shotgun runs just like my AK-47, so I only need to learn one manual of arms and set of malfunction drills.

    And yes, they are cool!
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    Jim
     
  25. MCgunner

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    That thing looks like it handles like a D8 cat. :rolleyes: Sorry, but I prefer a nice English stocked double for bird hunting. Haven't seen too many Saigas in trap and skeet, either, not on the Olympic level or in serious shoots. I have a pump and an auto. No, neither holds 20 rounds, so what?

    It is what it is, I guess. Far as the topping up thing, you'd change tactics with a box mag gun and do your tactical reloads just as you do with a handgun in IDPA, yank the partial mag and stuff a full one in while stickin' the partial mag in your waist band or somewhere. You wouldn't carry loose ammo, just full magazines. Of course, in real life, you will have your shotgun and perhaps a butt sleeve with five rounds. You ain't going to get up and put on your tacticool ammo vest to investigate a bump in the night. If you are, I seriously question your state of paranoia. :D Me, I have a 20 gauge coach gun in the bedroom, two shots and five on the butt. That's more'n enough. I ain't taking on a company of Al Qaida. It's for if some determined intruder decides he wants in my bedroom past the locked door. He won't get far with a load of #3 buck in his face.

    If you honestly believe you're going to have to go to war and bring your own weapon (who knows, but I ain't plannin' on it at age 55) I reckon you might "need" something like this, though I'd rather go to war with a rifle.
     
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