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Saiga 7.62x39 Sight Alignment Issue : Help

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by ShooterGuy, May 3, 2013.

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  1. ShooterGuy

    ShooterGuy Member

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    So I got this thing for basically nothing, I upgraded furniture / accessories to more my standard, tuned the internals etc. I love my other Saiga same type so didn't really scrutinize as much as I might normally and had shot with a red dot up until I changed out the furniture and been fine.

    The problem was noticed after I put on the MI rail, I have it plumb with the receiver like it should be, but looking down the irons I first noticed the rear sight leaf / base seems to be canted (see image) and the front sight post is set a bit right of center, and was wondering if someones dealt with this before that could offer some insight on how to correct it, or if I should just stick to the red dot? Any insight is appreciated fellas, she still runs like a champ and I can still function as is, but its going to spur some OCD not having it level haha.

    The rifle as is now;
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    An idea of how the sight leaf is canted, may be a little over-pronounced in the image since its hard difficult to keep the sucker still but definitely gives a good idea of it;
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    The MI rail set obviously plumb with the receiver;
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    Same setting, but on the rear sight leaf;
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    Can I rubber mallet the bugger? Can I shave something? Just not quite sure how to approach this. I'm pretty decently seasoned in working on this sort of thing, would just like a little more experience shared before I start tinkering if I could?

    Any ideas?
     
  2. xxjumbojimboxx

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    Congrats on getting an AK for small money, thats tough to do these days. Also fully worth any trouble this sucker might cause you. So long as it was cheap enough. I can tell you this. It looks like (from what i can see, sorry im not getting a clear picture here...) that the rear site lines up wth the front site pretty well. It may be your rail system. I know i bought an IO AK not too long ago... I also bought a quadrail for that... the way the top rail fit over the gas tube was leading the rail to shift slightly. making the whole gun seem out of whack... Basically, because of the way the gas tube on that AK was tapered on the ends it was making it so that everytime i put the rail on, it would simply shift into the tapered grooves. It took some significant grinding with my dremel on the inside of the quadrail to keep that from happening... Like i said, not sure if this is your issue, but your rail may not be as level as you think.
     
  3. xxjumbojimboxx

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    I would put the original furniture back on just to see if it looks right, if it still doesnt, theres a different problem... but if it looks right normal, then your issue is most likely with that gas tube cover being aligned incorrectly (this can also happen with quadrails if you tighten one side more then the other.)
     
  4. Fishbed77

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    AK tolerances are well... tolerant.

    The rifles are test-fired and the iron sights are zeroed at the Izhmash factory in Russia, and new Saigas come with a certificate noting the range and group results.

    My guess is that your rifle met the standards of the test firing, was found acceptable, and was put in a box and shipped out.

    Alternatively it did not meet standards, and had its gas block or front sight adjusted (aka whacked with a mallet) until it could be zeroed, and was put in a box and shipped out.

    The bottom line is that, if it shoots well, and does not bother you aesthetically, it's probably fine.
     
  5. WardenWolf

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    I wouldn't worry about it. Adjust your sights to compensate. It'll be fine.
     
  6. ShooterGuy

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    ya it doesn't overly bother me, would just like a nice level plane horizon when I look down the sight line. I know it's not the rail because Midwest Industries makes solid stuff, and I had it on another one before that without issue. If you look down the sight line the rear sight leaf is all that really noticeably is out of whack but not so much where the sight notch is, more for how it tilts down left-to-right like in the image.

    I was hoping maybe I could just fiddle with the leaf hinge or something to make it sit flat....but if it's more trouble than its worth than maybe I'll just let sleeping dogs lay and forget it for now.
     
  7. xxjumbojimboxx

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    shape.

    "I know it's not the rail because Midwest Industries makes solid stuff, and I had it on another one before that without issue. "

    Im not talking about the rail, im talking about the shape of the gas tube as it pertains to the fit of the rail.

    I had a similar issue that had me stuped for about 4 hours... couldnt take my eyes off the gun, I put the original hardware back on the gun, problem was gone... had to be the rail. shaved the rail to fit, problem solved.
     
  8. itsa pain

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    you are looking for precision down to thousandths on a rifle that is not a precision instrument. leave it alone and just enjoy it
     
  9. ShooterGuy

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    Nah I can put a level on the receiver, tube, and rail separately and they're fine. It's just the sight leaf/base that's the problem. Just to double check I remounted the rail and it's fine. If you hold the rifle completely plumb (going by the receiver) and look down the sight line, that darn sight leaf remains tilted no matter what else is taken off....real puzzler but I may just leave it be until another day to avoid the hassle until I have some more free time haha. Thanks though
     
  10. xxjumbojimboxx

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    Hm

    Thats the weirdest thing... is the whole sight out of whack, or just the portion of it that you can adjust with the distances on it... Im sorry man, I
    let these things bother me until i can figure them out.
     
  11. Tommy Medlin

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    Shooterguy,if it was mine I'd just go with the red dot and forget about the iron sights.You can shoot with both eyes open and I love being able to do that.
     
  12. toivo

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    My Saiga .223 has to have the front sight adjusted way over to the right to be on the money. It's almost as far as it will go, but it is zeroed so I'm not going to worry about it.
     
  13. OilyPablo

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    My Saiga has the front sight almost all the way to the left and the rear sight is canted just light your picture. At 50 yards it's MVOA (mini van of angle). I have too many projects in work right now to worry about it. But a hammer sounds about right. :D
     
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    hmm

    I thought saigas wer generally free of these types of issues?
     
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    What is even funnier is the supposed certificate of accuracy for the very rifle you purchased. Sure, 1 yard to the left at 50 yards
     
  16. Averageman

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    I enjoy AK's and own three.
    I have seen front sights canted, (very, very common) but never rear sights. There are a couple of things you can check,
    You can remove the rear sight and then check your spring and sight. From there I would look at the rear sight assembly without the sight and spring and check it for level.
    (At this point the careful use of a fine file may be tedious work, but it could fix your issue)
    You can also level the rifle in a vise to insure that the reciever itself isnt canted or twisted.
    (If this is your issue, well..Buddy this would be cause for a new lower.)
    MI makes some good gear, another vendor is Texas Weapons Systems. http://texasweaponsystems.com/
    This may fix your issue as it replaces the cover and allows you to reinstall your own irons that back up your optics. I have these on 2 AK's along with EO Techs mounted and they seem to work fine and hold zero pretty well.
     
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    What is even funnier is the supposed certificate of accuracy for the very rifle you purchased. Sure, 1 yard to the left at 50 yards

    Ive seen worse come out of big name builders and they refused to accept responcability for the error for months....I.E. Sig Sauer.
     
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