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Saiga IZ132 7.62 " Factory". parts needed

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Two shot burst, Nov 9, 2009.

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  1. Two shot burst

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    I,m hoping someone did a conversion on their stock IZ132 and sved the factory parts that would sell them PLEASE to me.
    Thank you

    RE:Russian American Saiga 7.62x39 Caliber Rifle.With Hunting stock and BHO feature. "Hammer #20 ref: instruction booklet and #24 the Trigger Mechanism.
    I screwed around and now have a two shot burst,not legal here,Damn.



    There is only one sort of discipline, perfect discipline.
     
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  2. Avenger29

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    Hey, 86 your contact info and what the rifle is doing!. If someone who has the parts is willing to sell or pass them along, then they will contact you through PM! And change your username!
     
  3. Girodin

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    While your intention is clear, you essentially just posted: I just committed a serious felony [manufactured a machine gun] here is my name, phone #, and address. Probably not the most sage thing to do or way to remedy your problem.
     
  4. Maverick223

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    Not unless it was intentional...it is simply a malfunctioning firearm.

    To the OP: Mine did the same thing when I started the conversion. It is not actually firing a two-round burst (assuming that it is the same phenomena as mine), it is firing when you pull and release the trigger. What type of trigger did you *attempt* to install? Tapco G2 Double Hook? Single Hook?

    I installed the Double Hook G2 and found that the trigger was slightly resting on the front of the slot where it protrudes and thus not allowing the hook to fully catch the hammer when it comes back after firing the first round. The rifle will then discharge a second time when you let off of the trigger, then the disconnector will then catch the hammer denying the rifle to go full automatic.

    You need to file a small amount of steel from the receiver to remedy the problem. If you work slow and take off a small amount at a time you will be left with a better trigger due to less slack and tighter tolerances (just file a little, then test...repeat as needed). In the rendering below you can see the trigger parts, you need to file ON THE RECEIVER just in front of the trigger (to the right in the drawing). File the larger center portion of the "hole", not the notch(es), and you should be good to go.
    01.jpg

    :)
     
  5. Maverick223

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    Here is a photo that better illustrates the region that you need to address:
    SaigaConversionProblem.jpg
     
  6. Two shot burst

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    Saiga IZ132 7.62 " Factory". parts needed

    Thank you Re:Hey, 86 your contact info and what the rifle is doing!. If someone who has the parts is willing to sell or pass them along, then they will contact you through PM! And change your username!

    and no it wasn't intentinal at all was trying to get a smoother pull ,PERIOD
    But truely thanks for your input.
    I'm looking for help and nothing more,Mr."G".
     
  7. Maverick223

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    Slow down and try my theory before you start unconverting (which will leave you with a costly unbalanced rifle with a poor trigger). It is VERY difficult (but not impossible) to make a rifle fire actual bursts, much more so than FA. I think you will find that it is double firing upon release of the trigger and my method of repair will work well. Good luck, Mav.

    :)
     
  8. Avenger29

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    Calm down. We ain't blaming you, but our mutual friends in the B, A, T, F, and E take a very dim view of such things, intentional or not.
     
  9. Girodin

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    Perhaps (IDK if intent is a factor or if it is strict liability) or is it that what needs to be intentional was his attempt to modify the firearm. He intended to modify the the FCG. This was not a case of my gun broke, rather it was a case of I was intentional cutting and grinding and now I have a machine gun. Further, even if we say that manufacturing a machine gun requires intent and that would excuse the OPs actions. There is still the issue of possession of an unregistered machine which could still be a problem. There seems be cases where the cirucuit court ruled that knowledge that the thing was automatic was not required to be guilty of possesing a machine gun. When one knows there gun is auto it is even a more doubtful position Sadly, I don't have time to research the case law right now. Even if I did I would not be giving legal advice. I'll just say this, either way simply hiring an attorney after someone official makes even a minor stink about it will get expensive fast and it is not a headache you want to deal with.
     
  10. Walkalong

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    Destroy the malfunctioning parts. You are breaking the law as it stands now. The feds have no sense of humor about guns that fire more than one round per pull of the trigger, especially when you modified it. Destroy the parts and find new ones. Plain and simple.
     
  11. D Boone

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    PM Sent, but I like to keep my old parts, Mavericks post makes a lot of sense, you need to try a few things first, you will not want to unconvert, it will be more difficult than what you did to get to this point. These things don't do this as a rule, the conversion is a fairly straightforward process. Take it apart and start again. Take your time and make sure you are not hanging up, and that the parts have unrestricted movement. Also look and make sure you don't have a bolt head or piece of screw obstructing the fire control group. Seems like I remember having that as a problem one time? It would be a good idea to take your address off your post, this is the internet.
     
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    You did put in the disconnector spring, didn't you?. It usually doesn't come with the trigger kits so you need to drive out the thin wall roll pin from the original to get at the spring.

    --wally.
     
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    I believe I have my old fire control group laying around somewhere. I'll take a look when I get home from work.
     
  14. Maverick223

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    Per my understanding (I am not an attorney), it depends. If you are simply replacing parts (that are legal...not FA parts) and fitting them to the firearm (my understanding of the situation), then you are perfectly in the clear, as long as you take measures to correct the malfunction. If you "accidentally" add FA parts or modify the disconnector (using string for example) then you ARE NOT in the clear. I should have been more specific in my post.

    If I am correct, the firearm in question is only firing once per trigger pull and then firing upon the release of the trigger which is perfectly legal. However, this makes the rifle awkward, unsafe, difficult to control, and will garner more interest than I would like. Either way, I would fix the problem because it is not beneficial in any way. :)
     
  15. Girodin

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    I also believe this is viewed differently than a weapon that fires two rounds per trigger pull which was what I understood the OP to mean. Subsequent posts seem to indicate differently.

    Everything might be able to be shown to be innocent enough in the end, if it were me I would rather not have to do any explaining to do to begin with though. It is not hard to imagine that if you essentially write I made a machine gun and give all your contact info someone might want to investigate a bit. When that happens who knows what they will find or what they will be able to prove.
     
  16. desidog

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    Certainly, disassemble it IMMEDIATELY. Secondly, you address is NY....aren't pistol grips illegal in New York? Seems like you're x2 on the wrong side of some laws written in plain English.

    I recommend getting a thumbhole stock as you'd see on a Bulgarian AK. You can find one for 20 bucks or so.
     
  17. Maverick223

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    Agreed 100%, correct the problem as soon as is practicable. :)
     
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    This is not correct. In NY we still have to play the "features" game. Pistol grips are not illegal but are on the list of allowable features of which only 2 are allowed.
     
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    Dang man. Lots of posts here with no parts. Edit your post to remove stupidity ( I have practice). PM me your address, and I'll send you my stock trigger group as soon as my ordered Tapco set gets here. Easy huh?
     
  20. CnRnut

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    If the last guy falls through,I should have the parts you need.
    PM me if needed.
     
  21. Two shot burst

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    Saiga Factory parts Ref: 7.62 Mdl IZ132

    Not coverting athing just want a smoother trigger.
    Must fit the brand new Saiga 7.62 Mdl IZ132 with BHO
    "bolt hold open" feature. I'm told that these are the only ones that will fit.
    I do not want a pistol grip AK.
    Parts and that's it. Legal Matters?
    2- Brother are cops ,Nephew is a cop, nephew in the US Army is CID, my uncle is a judge ,the other is a retired from NYCPD, and a son in-law that's a lawyer along with my cousin. OBTW one of my cousins is a woman COP.
    I'm retired from DOD, Veteran Viatnam 68/72. 11-B/11-c and worked with the CID also.
    Thanks for all that had some validity as being able to read.

    I need FACTORY PARTS and that's it .NOT CONVERTING A THING.

    Again Thanks In Advance
    Benny
     
  22. Avenger29

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    And, that don't mean **** in the BATFE's eyes. They aren't impressed.

    We know you are not converting anything. But your pleas will fall on deaf ears of feds if they get a sniff of the action you have posted and they don't care about "mistakes". I know damn well how to read, and I and others are trying to warn you of the dire consequences that are out there, but you aren't listening. Do you even have a clue of what the BATFE has ruled in the past? They ruled that a shoestring was a machinegun. Idiocy like that can happen to you.

    Remember, common sense is a dying characteristic.
     
  23. D Boone

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    I will pull them out and post them tomorrow. Hope it works for you.

    Cheers.
     
  24. Two shot burst

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    I'd like to thank all for their input

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    Brother are cops ,Nephew is a cop, nephew in the US Army is CID, my uncle is a judge ,the other is a retired from NYCPD, and a son in-law that's a lawyer along with my cousin. OBTW one of my cousins is a woman COP.
    I'm retired from DOD, Veteran Viatnam 68/72. 11-B/11-c and worked with the CID also.

    And, that don't mean **** in the BATFE's eyes. They aren't impressed.

    We know you are not converting anything. But your pleas will fall on deaf ears of feds if they get a sniff of the action you have posted and they don't care about "mistakes". I know damn well how to read, and I and others are trying to warn you of the dire consequences that are out there, but you aren't listening. Do you even have a clue of what the BATFE has ruled in the past? They ruled that a shoestring was a machinegun. Idiocy like that can happen to you.

    Remember, common sense is a dying characteristic.


    Ok it;s Veteran's Day.. knowing about all the warnings that some have helped me with is takin with 1005 validity and appreciation and yes I torched the parts after all the warnigs,again thank you folks.

    Now for the one's that have offered their very genorous help I'd like to say thats made my Veteran's Day a very happy one.
    Again Thank You Very Much.

    Lession learned leave the trigger groups as they are and get use to it.

    God Bless all.
    I'd to appolgise if I was gettin a bit harsh with some of you folks.

    Benny
     
  25. Maverick223

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    Good luck with the new parts Benny.

    :)
     
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