Saint Victor PCC

I saw today the Springfield has a Saint Victor PCC, which is basically a 9mm AR. How much appetite is there for an AR-style PCC? I ask because the buffer tube of the AR, for me is one of its drawbacks because it limits its ability to accept stocks that either fold or significantly reduce its footprint when collapsed. Many PCCs today contain the bolt within the upper and can accept collapsible and/or folding stocks and still fire without issue.

To me, an AR PCC is rather antiquated and boring, especially when there are plenty of different designs out there (Stribog, Scorpion, MP5 clones, GHM9/45, APC 9/10/45, etc. I’m sure an argument can be made that people familiar with the AR or that don’t wish to deal with a brace or the SBR process will be drawn to it, but I’m not convinced that Springfield’s new product will “wow” people.

These are only my thoughts so please don’t be offended if my thoughts differ from yours. However, I’m interested in whether you have the same impressions and whether you think a 9mm AR variant is a wise choice for Springfield and will gain favor among consumers.

 

I ain't offended, but ever since I saw Springfield named a rifle 'Saint', I looked the other way.

 

The MSRP for it is around 1200, so I am guessing they'll go for 1000 at the store. It's cheaper than some of the PCC's you named, but more expensive than it needs to be. I can get a Ruger PCC for around 750, give or take. In the end, it's just a 9mm, and I can get an actual semi-auto rifle for much cheaper.

 

PSA AR9s regularly go on sale under $600....
I have 2 and they are great.
Ya, folding stocks are nice for storage, but Im ok with M4-style collapsible units. Having a common manual-of-arms with a full size AR is a plus.
I dunno, most of the proprietary PCCs are very "plasticky" and cheap feeling too....
I really wanted a Beretta CX until I got my hands on one and all I could think was "yuck!"
AR-based guns just feel more substantial and confidence inspiring, IMO.

 

I just wish I could find one that’s beretta 92 mag compatible at that price.

 

Stern Defense makes a magwell adapter for M92 mags. I have one and it works great, but wasnt cheap.....

 

Such is what I have seen. I will note the adapter. But when I thought it through I could prolly buy a ruger pc9 for less than I could build a 9 carbine. But they don’t have a beretta adapter.

 

I think Kel Tec still offers their folding carbines with M9 magwells too, or at least they used to.
The nice thing about most PCCs being Glock compatible is the mags are cheap and omnipresent. I wound up with a bunch, even though I dont own a Glock, lol.

 

I can understand it. Glock mags are super common. I have 92s and about 10 mags so I’d rather use what I have. But there are lots of functional Glock mags that are cheap. Even pro mags. There is an argument to be had in favor of the collapsible ruger too. But visually ar9s are pretty hot too. The OG colt 9mm carbine is pretty impressive aesthetically.

 

Nothing again the SA, but with the Ruger being quite a bit less and other AR9's being less It would be a hard sell for me. I've had a PCC semi-auto on my want list for quite a while but something else is always a priority.

100% this is my thought. In fact I had to go to PSA site...... you're killing me Sharing the platform could be viewed a plus.

-Jeff

 

I'm with Giggity on this. Not a big fan of the buffer tube on ARs myself, but at least it's (presumably) nonfunctional and doesn't go "sproing" like an AR. It also looks really weird to my eyes to have that massive receiver and yawning magwell with a dinky little magazine sticking out of it.

I love pistol caliber carbines and have Ruger and a Beretta CX-4 in 9mm, and a Hi-Point .45. Unlike Nightlord I thought the Beretta was ugly as sin, but picking it up and shouldering it sold me on the gun, on the spot. It's a favorite of mine now.

 

The big advantage to a 9mm only lower is that it is built for the dimensions of the 9mm round. 9mm ARs have to deal with this with a bolt spacer or longer buffer. I have a PSA AR9, the Ruger PC Carbine and a Marlin Camp 9 and like them all. I don't understand the blow forward muzzle device since it won't help at all with felt recoil.

 

Dedicated 9mm uppers do improve reliability a bit too as they usually have a taller ejection port.
My daughters AR9 uses a standard AR upper and brass will occasionally gets wedged in at a 90deg. angle in the long, thin .223 port.

 

I am an outsider on the PCC scene but I do watch them in action.
The large majority of the PCCs at USPSA and IDPA matches I attend are AR types with some Sigs. I have seen one CZ, no Stribog, HK, or Brugger. A friend shot a Ruger but only until he could get the right buffer and spring to make his AR functional.

The advantage of the AR PCC is that everybody makes guns and parts, assembly and operation are well known, and you can choose over a wide range of options in guns and accessories, ending up at $700 or $2000.
The disadvantage of the AR PCC is that everybody makes guns and parts. Most shooters have a box of parts discarded in a constant search for reliability and "flat shooting."
The Latest and Greatest seems to be the JP roller delay mutant, at least it is the latest I have seen. Owners get the fun of constant tinkering with different angle locking pieces and different ammo trying to find a combination that "shoots like a .22."