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  1. AnselHazen

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    Been watching to see what would be said here. Have seen it stated several other places as well.
     
  2. 7mmb

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    After Hodgdon bought IMR they stopped selling ADI manufactured H4227 as H4227. They put it into cans labeled IMR4227 and sold the ADI stuff as IMR4227 and "discontinued" H4227. I purchased a can of IMR4227 labeled "Made in Australia" in 2011. To muddy up the water even more, in 2014 I picked up six pounds of IMR4227 from a couple different LGSs and they were all labeled "Made in Canada." This was during the big powder shortage after the 2012 election so this was not old stock as powder was disappearing as soon as it hit the shelves. That and the cans have 2014 lot numbers. Good luck getting your decoder ring to figure out that one. :scrutiny:
     
  3. kcofohio
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    Thanks, never saw that before until looking through Western Powder's data. I knew that about WAP and Silhouette though. :)
     
  4. bds

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    Thanks everyone. Here's updated list of same/exact vs comparable/close powders (will leave the ? mark until we get more verification from other members):

    Disclosure: While efforts were made by THR members based on available information obtained by the posting date, consider the accuracy posted with a grain of salt and please always reference published load data when developing your loads. When powders are recommended for calibers that lack current published load data, use them at your own risk.

    Same exact powders
    (Same published load data, powder burn rate, charge weight and volume):

    - W231 and HP-38
    - HS-6 and W540
    - HS-7 and W571
    - Ramshot Silhouette and WAP
    - Ramshot Enforcer and AA 4100
    - W296 and H110
    - H4227 and IMR4227
    - Accurate 2230 and Ramshot X-Terminator
    - Accurate 2520 and Ramshot Wild Boar
    - RL15 and Norma 203B
    - W760 and H414


    Comparable/close powders
    (Different load data, similar burn rate for reference BUT MUST USE published charge weight):

    - Red Dot and Promo (Alliant recommends using Red Dot load data by weight and not by volume)
    - Hodgdon Clays and Alliant Clay Dot (for shotgun loads, not pistol loads)
    - Hodgdon Clays and Titewad?
    - Hodgdon Clays and Trail Boss?
    - Ramshot Competition and WST
    - No. 2 and Lovex D032
    - W231/HP-38 and Ramshot Zip
    - W231/HP-38 and Alliant Green Dot
    - No. 5 and Lovex D036.03 (Auto pistol)/D036.07 (Ultimate pistol)
    - Unique and Universal Clays?
    - Unique and 20/28
    - Unique and BE-86
    - Power Pistol and BE-86
    - BE-86 and Herco (for 40S&W based on 2004 Alliant load data. No current load data from Alliant for Herco and 40S&W)
    - CFE Pistol and AutoComp
    - CFE Pistol and Silhouette?
    - No. 7 and Lovex D037.1
    - No. 9 and Lovex D037.2
    - W296/H110 and 300MP
    - Ramshot TAC and H335
    - Hodgdon 4895 and IMR 4895
    - Varget and IMR 4064/IMR 4895/RL 15?
    - IMR 4895 and Accurate 2495?
    - MRP and RL 22?
     
  5. morcey2

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    I think that's what the Varget line should look like. IMR 4895 is a faster powder than the other 3.

    Matt
     
  6. bds

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    Thanks!

    Updated list of same/exact vs comparable/close powders (will leave the ? mark until we get more verification from other members):

    Disclosure: While efforts were made by THR members based on available information obtained by the posting date, consider the accuracy posted with a grain of salt and please always reference published load data when developing your loads. When powders are recommended for calibers that lack current published load data, use them at your own risk.

    Same exact powders
    (Same published load data, powder burn rate, charge weight and volume):

    - W231 and HP-38
    - HS-6 and W540
    - HS-7 and W571
    - Ramshot Silhouette and WAP
    - Ramshot Enforcer and AA 4100
    - W296 and H110
    - H4227 and IMR4227
    - Accurate 2230 and Ramshot X-Terminator
    - Accurate 2520 and Ramshot Wild Boar
    - RL15 and Norma 203B
    - W760 and H414


    Comparable/close powders
    (Different load data, similar burn rate for reference BUT MUST USE published charge weight):

    - Red Dot and Promo (Alliant recommends using Red Dot load data by weight and not by volume)
    - Hodgdon Clays and Alliant Clay Dot (for shotgun loads, not pistol loads)
    - Hodgdon Clays and Titewad?
    - Hodgdon Clays and Trail Boss?
    - Ramshot Competition and WST
    - No. 2 and Lovex D032
    - W231/HP-38 and Ramshot Zip
    - W231/HP-38 and Alliant Green Dot
    - No. 5 and Lovex D036.03 (Auto pistol)/D036.07 (Ultimate pistol)
    - Unique and Universal Clays?
    - Unique and 20/28
    - Unique and BE-86
    - Power Pistol and BE-86
    - BE-86 and Herco (for 40S&W based on 2004 Alliant load data. No current load data from Alliant for Herco and 40S&W)
    - CFE Pistol and AutoComp
    - CFE Pistol and Silhouette?
    - No. 7 and Lovex D037.1
    - No. 9 and Lovex D037.2
    - W296/H110 and 300MP
    - Ramshot TAC and H335
    - Hodgdon 4895 and IMR 4895
    - Varget and IMR 4064/AA 4064/RL 15?
    - IMR 4895 and Accurate 2495?
    - MRP and RL 22?
     
  7. Toprudder

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    Actually, there are more - 1, 3, 5, 7, and 8.
    explosia_doublebase.jpg

    Shooters world only carries the 3 and 7. They list the .7 as close to autocomp in burn rate - somewhere between Accurate #2 and #5.

    But, yes, you are right. You can't just call it D036.
     
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  8. Buck13

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    There's no identical twin for WSF, right? I bought a pound during the shortage, and I have data for 10 mm, but not any of my revolver cartridges.
     
  9. steve4102

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    How about Lovex D073-06 = SHOOTERS WORLD MATCH RIFLE = Accurate 2520?
     
  10. styles

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    Wow! Nice! I also like this chart which corroborates your point.
    The Ultimate Pistol D036.07 should not be listed as #5, but D036.03 should be.
    http://www.shootersworldsc.com/propellants#burn
     
  11. bds

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    Thanks!

    Updated the list with Explosia Lovex/Shooters World powders.

    Disclosure: While efforts were made by THR members based on available information obtained by the posting date, consider the accuracy posted with a grain of salt and please always reference published load data when developing your loads. When powders are recommended for calibers that lack current published load data, use them at your own risk.

    Same exact powders (Same published load data, powder burn rate, charge weight and volume):

    - Winchester W231 and Hodgdon HP-38
    - Hodgdon HS-6 and Winchester W540
    - Hodgdon HS-7 and Winchester W571
    - Ramshot Silhouette and Winchester WAP
    - Ramshot Enforcer and Accurate 4100
    - Winchester W296 and Hodgdon H110
    - Hodgdon H4227 and IMR 4227
    - Accurate 2230 and Ramshot X-Terminator
    - Accurate 2520 and Ramshot Wild Boar
    - Alliant RL15 and Norma 203B
    - Winchester W760 and Hodgdon H414


    Comparable/close powders (Different load data, similar burn rate for reference BUT MUST USE published charge weight):

    - Alliant Red Dot and Alliant Promo (Alliant recommends using Red Dot load data by weight and not by volume)
    - Hodgdon Clays and Alliant Clay Dot (for shotgun loads, not pistol loads)
    - Hodgdon Clays and Hodgdon Titewad?
    - Hodgdon Clays and IMR Trail Boss?
    - Winchester WST and Ramshot Competition
    - Accurate No. 2 and Shooters World Clean Shot/Lovex D032-03
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Ramshot Zip
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Alliant Green Dot
    - Accurate No. 5 and Shooters World Auto Pistol/Lovex D036-03
    - Alliant Unique and Hodgdon Universal Clays?
    - Alliant Unique and Alliant 20/28
    - Alliant Unique and Alliant BE-86
    - Alliant Power Pistol and Alliant BE-86
    - Alliant BE-86 and Alliant Herco (for 40S&W based on 2004 Alliant load data. No current load data from Alliant for Herco and 40S&W)
    - Hodgdon CFE Pistol and Winchester AutoComp
    - Winchester AutoComp and Shooters World Ultimate Pistol/Lovex D036-07
    - CFE Pistol and Silhouette?
    - Winchester WSF and Ramshot Silhouette?
    - Accurate No. 7 and Shooters World Major Pistol/Lovex D037-01
    - Accurate No. 9 and Shooters World Heavy Pistol/Lovex D037-02
    - Winchester W296/H110 and Alliant 300MP
    - Accurate 5744 and Shooters World Cowboy/Lovex D060-01
    - Accurate 1680 and Shooters World Blackout/Lovex D063-02
    - Hodgdon H335 and Ramshot TAC
    - Hodgdon H335 and Accurate 2230
    - Hodgdon H335 and Shooters World AR Plus/Lovex D073-04
    - Hodgdon 4895 and IMR 4895
    - IMR 4895 and Accurate 2495?
    - Hodgdon Varget and IMR 4064/Accurate 4064/Alliant RL15?
    - Hodgdon Varget and Lovex S062-01
    - Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Winchester 748
    - Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Lovex D073-05
    - Hodgdon CFE223 and Accurate 2520
    - Hodgdon CFE223 and Shooters World Match Rifle/Lovex D073-06
    - Hodgdon 4350 and Lovex S070-01
    - Hodgdon 4831 and Lovex S071-01
    - Norma MRP and Alliant RL22?
     
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  12. bds

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    Updated the list with Nobel Vectan powders - https://www.grafs.com/uploads/technical-resource-pdf-file/20.pdf

    Disclosure: While efforts were made by THR members based on available information obtained by the posting date, consider the accuracy posted with a grain of salt and please always reference published load data when developing your loads. When powders are recommended for calibers that lack current published load data, use them at your own risk.

    Same exact powders (Same published load data, powder burn rate, charge weight and volume):

    - Winchester W231 and Hodgdon HP-38
    - Hodgdon HS-6 and Winchester W540
    - Hodgdon HS-7 and Winchester W571
    - Ramshot Silhouette and Winchester WAP
    - Ramshot Enforcer and Accurate 4100
    - Winchester W296 and Hodgdon H110
    - Hodgdon H4227 and IMR 4227
    - Accurate 2230 and Ramshot X-Terminator
    - Accurate 2520 and Ramshot Wild Boar
    - Alliant RL15 and Norma 203B
    - Winchester W760 and Hodgdon H414

    Comparable/close powders (Different load data, similar burn rate for reference BUT MUST USE published charge weight):

    - Alliant Bullseye and Vectan Ba10
    - Alliant Red Dot and Vectan Ba9 1/2
    - Alliant Red Dot and Alliant Promo (Alliant recommends using Red Dot load data by weight and not by volume)
    - Hodgdon Clays and Alliant Clay Dot (for shotgun loads, not pistol loads)
    - Hodgdon Clays and Hodgdon Titewad?
    - Hodgdon Clays and IMR Trail Boss?
    - Hodgdon Clays/WST and Vectan Prima SV
    - Winchester WST and Ramshot Competition
    - Accurate No. 2 and Shooters World Clean Shot/Lovex D032-03
    - Hodgdon Titegroup and Vectan Prima V/AS
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Ramshot Zip
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Alliant Green Dot
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Vectan 206V
    - Accurate No. 5 and Shooters World Auto Pistol/Lovex D036-03
    - Accurate No. 5 and Vectan D-20
    - Vihtavuori N330 and Vectan A1
    - Alliant Unique and Hodgdon Universal Clays
    - Unique/Universal and Vectan Ba9
    - Alliant Unique and Alliant 20/28
    - Alliant Unique and Alliant BE-86
    - Alliant Power Pistol and Alliant BE-86
    - Alliant BE-86 and Alliant Herco (for 40S&W based on 2004 Alliant load data. No current load data from Alliant for Herco and 40S&W)
    - Alliant Herco and Vectan A0
    - Hodgdon CFE Pistol and Winchester AutoComp
    - Winchester AutoComp and Shooters World Ultimate Pistol/Lovex D036-07
    - CFE Pistol and Silhouette?
    - Winchester WSF and Ramshot Silhouette?
    - Accurate No. 7 and Shooters World Major Pistol/Lovex D037-01
    - Accurate No. 7 and Vectan Ba7 1/2
    - Accurate No. 9 and Shooters World Heavy Pistol/Lovex D037-02
    - Accurate No. 9 and Vectan Ba6 1/2
    - Winchester W296/H110 and Alliant 300MP
    - Winchester W296/H110 and Vectan Ba6 1/2
    - Accurate 5744 and Shooters World Cowboy/Lovex D060-01
    - Accurate 1680 and Shooters World Blackout/Lovex D063-02
    - Hodgdon H335 and Ramshot TAC
    - Hodgdon H335 and Accurate 2230
    - Hodgdon H335 and Shooters World AR Plus/Lovex D073-04
    - Hodgdon 4895 and IMR 4895
    - IMR 4895 and Accurate 2495?
    - Hodgdon Varget and IMR 4064/Accurate 4064/Alliant RL15?
    - Hodgdon Varget and Lovex S062-01
    - Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Winchester 748
    - Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Lovex D073-05
    - Hodgdon CFE223 and Accurate 2520
    - Hodgdon CFE223 and Shooters World Match Rifle/Lovex D073-06
    - Hodgdon 4350 and Lovex S070-01
    - Hodgdon 4831 and Lovex S071-01
    - Norma MRP and Alliant RL22?
     
  13. mmorris

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    Black label can = Win 231
    White label can = HP-38
    Both one pound cans were filled on March 07, 2016
    Both have the same batch number - 2448

    The clincher... both have the same defect in the second '0' in the date

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    I'd say that these two cans of powder absolutely were filled on the same machine in the same factory, and the HP-38 I bought today looks exactly the same as the Win 231 I bought several years ago.
     

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  14. bds

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    Well, there you go. We can put to rest W231/HP-38 exactness once for all!

    Thanks mmorris!
     
  15. antiquus

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    I've been using Titewad for over a year now in several calibers. Small plinking loads in large cases like .38 spl, and in small auto cases like .380 and .32acp for full power loads. I started using it because I was trying to push .32acp to CiP levels, which is where my guns were proofed at, using the usual suspects, W231 and Bullseye. But nothing was moving, changes in powder levels just weren't making changes in velocity. I concluded I needed a faster powder to get to the levels I was attemping.

    After looking at everybody's burn rate charts, I noticed Vhitavuori's chart was different, and in the case of Titewad really different. They listed it as the fastest powder, even faster than Norma R-1. That told me they do their own testing, and were confident enough in their testing to publish something going against the grain. You don't do that in a technical subject like gunpowder without having your ducks in a line and quacking. Given their rep, I was willing to listen.

    Long story short, I think they are right. I tried to get data from Hodgdon and St. Marks for Quickload calculations (it's not in the QL database), but Hodgdon doesn't have it and St. Marks isn't responsive.

    I can say it solved my .32acp load handily, took a while to creep up on it because there is very little published data for this stuff, so very slow and careful, but I got the exact level I was looking for, and have no doubt if someone made a strong barrel for testing, this stuff could push .32acp to 1400fps or more. The level I ended up with is a little over 50% case fill, and exceeds SAAMI, but meets CiP levels.

    It burns very clean, best I've ever seen, and is not very position sensitve which makes it great for light target loads. I'm using that property to develope medium strength loads in .32H&R and .327 which seem to aggrivate position sensitiity. W231 for instance in my .327 changes 200fps depending on wherher I start muzzle down or up. Bullseye is better, but I can still detect it easily. Titewad is hard to detect.

    I had a list of St. Marks products Hodgdon buys, and the St. Marks product number for Titewad was one of a kind.
     
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  16. bds

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    So perhaps we should pair Titewad with E3 (fastest burning Alliant powder) instead of Clays?

    Disclosure: While efforts were made by THR members based on available information obtained by the posting date, consider the accuracy posted with a grain of salt and please always reference published load data when developing your loads. When powders are recommended for calibers that lack current published load data, use them at your own risk.

    Same exact powders (Same published load data, powder burn rate, charge weight and volume):

    - Winchester W231 and Hodgdon HP-38
    - Hodgdon HS-6 and Winchester W540
    - Hodgdon HS-7 and Winchester W571
    - Ramshot Silhouette and Winchester WAP
    - Ramshot Enforcer and Accurate 4100
    - Winchester W296 and Hodgdon H110
    - Hodgdon H4227 and IMR 4227
    - Accurate 2230 and Ramshot X-Terminator
    - Accurate 2520 and Ramshot Wild Boar
    - Alliant RL15 and Norma 203B
    - Winchester W760 and Hodgdon H414

    Comparable/close powders (Different load data, similar burn rate for reference BUT MUST USE published charge weight):

    - Alliant E3 and Hodgdon Titewad?
    - Alliant Bullseye and Vectan Ba10
    - Alliant Red Dot and Vectan Ba9 1/2
    - Alliant Red Dot and Alliant Promo (Alliant recommends using Red Dot load data by weight and not by volume)
    - Hodgdon Clays and Alliant Clay Dot (for shotgun loads, not pistol loads)
    - Hodgdon Clays and IMR Trail Boss?
    - Hodgdon Clays/WST and Vectan Prima SV
    - Winchester WST and Ramshot Competition
    - Accurate No. 2 and Shooters World Clean Shot/Lovex D032-03
    - Hodgdon Titegroup and Vectan Prima V/AS
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Ramshot Zip
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Alliant Green Dot
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Vectan 206V
    - Accurate No. 5 and Shooters World Auto Pistol/Lovex D036-03
    - Accurate No. 5 and Vectan D-20
    - Vihtavuori N330 and Vectan A1
    - Alliant Unique and Hodgdon Universal Clays
    - Unique/Universal and Vectan Ba9
    - Alliant Unique and Alliant 20/28
    - Alliant Unique and Alliant BE-86
    - Alliant Power Pistol and Alliant BE-86
    - Alliant BE-86 and Alliant Herco (for 40S&W based on 2004 Alliant load data. No current load data from Alliant for Herco and 40S&W)
    - Alliant Herco and Vectan A0
    - Hodgdon CFE Pistol and Winchester AutoComp
    - Winchester AutoComp and Shooters World Ultimate Pistol/Lovex D036-07
    - CFE Pistol and Silhouette?
    - Winchester WSF and Ramshot Silhouette?
    - Accurate No. 7 and Shooters World Major Pistol/Lovex D037-01
    - Accurate No. 7 and Vectan Ba7 1/2
    - Accurate No. 9 and Shooters World Heavy Pistol/Lovex D037-02
    - Accurate No. 9 and Vectan Ba6 1/2
    - Winchester W296/H110 and Alliant 300MP
    - Winchester W296/H110 and Vectan Ba6 1/2
    - Accurate 5744 and Shooters World Cowboy/Lovex D060-01
    - Accurate 1680 and Shooters World Blackout/Lovex D063-02
    - Hodgdon H335 and Ramshot TAC
    - Hodgdon H335 and Accurate 2230
    - Hodgdon H335 and Shooters World AR Plus/Lovex D073-04
    - Hodgdon 4895 and IMR 4895
    - IMR 4895 and Accurate 2495?
    - Hodgdon Varget and IMR 4064/Accurate 4064/Alliant RL15?
    - Hodgdon Varget and Lovex S062-01
    - Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Winchester 748
    - Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Lovex D073-05
    - Hodgdon CFE223 and Accurate 2520
    - Hodgdon CFE223 and Shooters World Match Rifle/Lovex D073-06
    - Hodgdon 4350 and Lovex S070-01
    - Hodgdon 4831 and Lovex S071-01
    - Norma MRP and Alliant RL22?
     
  17. antiquus

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    IF you could confirm E³ is a St. Marks product, then that would be reasonable. Otherwise, the lack of data from both Hodgdon and St. Marks makes me think Titewad is unique (but not Unique of course). Vhitavuori is pretty definite about where they think it is, and list it a level ahead of E³, and 2 levels ahead of Nitro 100, WST and R1!
     
  18. bds

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    OK. We can remove Titewad and E3 from the comparable list until we have further confirmation.

    Disclosure: While efforts were made by THR members based on available information obtained by the posting date, consider the accuracy posted with a grain of salt and please always reference published load data when developing your loads. When powders are recommended for calibers that lack current published load data, use them at your own risk.

    Same exact powders (Same published load data, powder burn rate, charge weight and volume):

    - Winchester W231 and Hodgdon HP-38
    - Hodgdon HS-6 and Winchester W540
    - Hodgdon HS-7 and Winchester W571
    - Ramshot Silhouette and Winchester WAP
    - Ramshot Enforcer and Accurate 4100
    - Winchester W296 and Hodgdon H110
    - Hodgdon H4227 and IMR 4227
    - Accurate 2230 and Ramshot X-Terminator
    - Accurate 2520 and Ramshot Wild Boar
    - Alliant RL15 and Norma 203B
    - Winchester W760 and Hodgdon H414

    Comparable/close powders (Different load data, similar burn rate for reference BUT MUST USE published charge weight):

    - Alliant Bullseye and Vectan Ba10
    - Alliant Red Dot and Vectan Ba9 1/2
    - Alliant Red Dot and Alliant Promo (Alliant recommends using Red Dot load data by weight and not by volume)
    - Hodgdon Clays and Alliant Clay Dot (for shotgun loads, not pistol loads)
    - Hodgdon Clays and IMR Trail Boss?
    - Hodgdon Clays/WST and Vectan Prima SV
    - Winchester WST and Ramshot Competition
    - Accurate No. 2 and Shooters World Clean Shot/Lovex D032-03
    - Hodgdon Titegroup and Vectan Prima V/AS
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Ramshot Zip
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Alliant Green Dot
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Vectan 206V
    - Accurate No. 5 and Shooters World Auto Pistol/Lovex D036-03
    - Accurate No. 5 and Vectan D-20
    - Vihtavuori N330 and Vectan A1
    - Alliant Unique and Hodgdon Universal Clays
    - Unique/Universal and Vectan Ba9
    - Alliant Unique and Alliant 20/28
    - Alliant Unique and Alliant BE-86
    - Alliant Power Pistol and Alliant BE-86
    - Alliant BE-86 and Alliant Herco (for 40S&W based on 2004 Alliant load data. No current load data from Alliant for Herco and 40S&W)
    - Alliant Herco and Vectan A0
    - Hodgdon CFE Pistol and Winchester AutoComp
    - Winchester AutoComp and Shooters World Ultimate Pistol/Lovex D036-07
    - CFE Pistol and Silhouette?
    - Winchester WSF and Ramshot Silhouette?
    - Accurate No. 7 and Shooters World Major Pistol/Lovex D037-01
    - Accurate No. 7 and Vectan Ba7 1/2
    - Accurate No. 9 and Shooters World Heavy Pistol/Lovex D037-02
    - Accurate No. 9 and Vectan Ba6 1/2
    - Winchester W296/H110 and Alliant 300MP
    - Winchester W296/H110 and Vectan Ba6 1/2
    - Accurate 5744 and Shooters World Cowboy/Lovex D060-01
    - Accurate 1680 and Shooters World Blackout/Lovex D063-02
    - Hodgdon H335 and Ramshot TAC
    - Hodgdon H335 and Accurate 2230
    - Hodgdon H335 and Shooters World AR Plus/Lovex D073-04
    - Hodgdon 4895 and IMR 4895
    - IMR 4895 and Accurate 2495?
    - Hodgdon Varget and IMR 4064/Accurate 4064/Alliant RL15?
    - Hodgdon Varget and Lovex S062-01
    - Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Winchester 748
    - Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Lovex D073-05
    - Hodgdon CFE223 and Accurate 2520
    - Hodgdon CFE223 and Shooters World Match Rifle/Lovex D073-06
    - Hodgdon 4350 and Lovex S070-01
    - Hodgdon 4831 and Lovex S071-01
    - Norma MRP and Alliant RL22?
     
  19. Tucson Bill

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    How about H110 and V110 ?
     
  20. bds

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    Yes, I can add Vihtavuori N110 comparable to W296/H110.
     
  21. bds

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    Disclosure: While efforts were made by THR members based on available information obtained by the posting date, consider the accuracy posted with a grain of salt and please always reference published load data when developing your loads. When powders are recommended for calibers that lack current published load data, use them at your own risk.

    Same exact powders (Same published load data, powder burn rate, charge weight and volume):

    - Winchester W231 and Hodgdon HP-38
    - Hodgdon HS-6 and Winchester W540
    - Hodgdon HS-7 and Winchester W571
    - Ramshot Silhouette and Winchester WAP
    - Ramshot Enforcer and Accurate 4100
    - Winchester W296 and Hodgdon H110
    - Hodgdon H4227 and IMR 4227
    - Accurate 2230 and Ramshot X-Terminator
    - Accurate 2520 and Ramshot Wild Boar
    - Alliant RL15 and Norma 203B
    - Winchester W760 and Hodgdon H414

    Comparable/close powders (Different load data, similar burn rate for reference BUT MUST USE published charge weight):

    - Alliant Bullseye and Vectan Ba10
    - Alliant Red Dot and Vectan Ba9 1/2
    - Alliant Red Dot and Alliant Promo (Alliant recommends using Red Dot load data by weight and not by volume)
    - Hodgdon Clays and Alliant Clay Dot (for shotgun loads, not pistol loads)
    - Hodgdon Clays and IMR Trail Boss?
    - Hodgdon Clays/WST and Vectan Prima SV
    - Winchester WST and Ramshot Competition
    - Accurate No. 2 and Shooters World Clean Shot/Lovex D032-03
    - Hodgdon Titegroup and Vectan Prima V/AS
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Ramshot Zip
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Alliant Green Dot
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Vectan 206V
    - Accurate No. 5 and Shooters World Auto Pistol/Lovex D036-03
    - Accurate No. 5 and Vectan D-20
    - Vihtavuori N330 and Vectan A1
    - Alliant Unique and Hodgdon Universal Clays
    - Unique/Universal and Vectan Ba9
    - Alliant Unique and Alliant 20/28
    - Alliant Unique and Alliant BE-86
    - Alliant Power Pistol and Alliant BE-86
    - Alliant BE-86 and Alliant Herco (for 40S&W based on 2004 Alliant load data. No current load data from Alliant for Herco and 40S&W)
    - Alliant Herco and Vectan A0
    - Hodgdon CFE Pistol and Winchester AutoComp
    - Winchester AutoComp and Shooters World Ultimate Pistol/Lovex D036-07
    - CFE Pistol and Silhouette?
    - Winchester WSF and Ramshot Silhouette?
    - Accurate No. 7 and Shooters World Major Pistol/Lovex D037-01
    - Accurate No. 7 and Vectan Ba7 1/2
    - Accurate No. 9 and Shooters World Heavy Pistol/Lovex D037-02
    - Accurate No. 9 and Vectan Ba6 1/2
    - Winchester W296/H110 and Alliant 300MP
    - Winchester W296/H110 and Vectan Ba6 1/2
    - Winchester W296/H110 and Vihtavuori N110
    - Accurate 5744 and Shooters World Cowboy/Lovex D060-01
    - Accurate 1680 and Shooters World Blackout/Lovex D063-02
    - Hodgdon H335 and Ramshot TAC
    - Hodgdon H335 and Accurate 2230
    - Hodgdon H335 and Shooters World AR Plus/Lovex D073-04
    - Hodgdon 4895 and IMR 4895
    - IMR 4895 and Accurate 2495?
    - Hodgdon Varget and IMR 4064/Accurate 4064/Alliant RL15?
    - Hodgdon Varget and Lovex S062-01
    - Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Winchester 748
    - Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Lovex D073-05
    - Hodgdon CFE223 and Accurate 2520
    - Hodgdon CFE223 and Shooters World Match Rifle/Lovex D073-06
    - Hodgdon 4350 and Lovex S070-01
    - Hodgdon 4831 and Lovex S071-01
    - Norma MRP and Alliant RL22?
     
  22. greyling22

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    I don't think they make wild boar any more.
     
  23. bds

    bds Member

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    Neither are Winchester WAP and HS-7 but listed to give same/comparable reference information.
     
  24. steve4102

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    Wild Bore is still alive and well. it is just not sold in the Untied States.
     
  25. bds

    bds Member

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    Adding Alliant Sport Pistol and IMR Target/Red/Green/Unequal/Blue to comparable powders.

    Disclosure
    : While efforts were made by THR members based on available information obtained by the posting date, consider the accuracy posted with a grain of salt and please always reference published load data when developing your loads. When powders are recommended for calibers that lack current published load data, use them at your own risk.

    Same exact powders (Same published load data, powder burn rate, charge weight and volume):

    - Winchester W231 and Hodgdon HP-38
    - Hodgdon HS-6 and Winchester W540
    - Hodgdon HS-7 and Winchester W571
    - Ramshot Silhouette and Winchester WAP
    - Ramshot Enforcer and Accurate 4100
    - Winchester W296 and Hodgdon H110
    - Hodgdon H4227 and IMR 4227
    - Accurate 2230 and Ramshot X-Terminator
    - Accurate 2520 and Ramshot Wild Boar
    - Alliant RL15 and Norma 203B
    - Winchester W760 and Hodgdon H414

    Comparable/close powders (Different load data, similar burn rate for reference BUT MUST USE published charge weight):

    - Alliant Bullseye and IMR Target?
    - Alliant Bullseye and Vectan Ba10
    - Alliant Red Dot and Vectan Ba9 1/2
    - Alliant Red Dot and Alliant Promo (Alliant recommends using Red Dot load data by weight and not by volume)
    - Alliant Red Dot and IMR Red?
    - Hodgdon Clays and Alliant Clay Dot (for shotgun loads)
    - Hodgdon Clays and IMR Trail Boss?
    - Hodgdon Clays/WST and Vectan Prima SV (for shotgun loads)
    - Winchester WST and Ramshot Competition
    - Accurate No. 2 and Shooters World Clean Shot/Lovex D032-03
    - Hodgdon Titegroup and Vectan AS (for pistol loads) / Prima V (for shotgun loads)
    - Alliant Green Dot and IMR Green?
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Ramshot Zip
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Alliant Sport Pistol?
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Alliant Green Dot
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Vectan 206V (for shotgun loads)
    - Accurate No. 5 and Shooters World Auto Pistol/Lovex D036-03
    - Accurate No. 5 and Vectan D-20/GM3 (for shotgun loads)
    - Vihtavuori N330 and Vectan A1
    - Alliant Unique/Universal and Vectan Ba9
    - Alliant Unique and Hodgdon Universal Clays
    - Alliant Unique and IMR Unequal?
    - Alliant Unique and Alliant BE-86
    - Alliant Unique and Alliant 20/28
    - Alliant Power Pistol and Alliant BE-86
    - Alliant BE-86 and Alliant Herco (for 40S&W based on 2004 Alliant load data. No current load data from Alliant for Herco and 40S&W)
    - Alliant Herco and Vectan A0
    - Hodgdon CFE Pistol and Winchester AutoComp
    - Winchester AutoComp and Shooters World Ultimate Pistol/Lovex D036-07
    - CFE Pistol and Silhouette?
    - Winchester WSF and Ramshot Silhouette?
    - Accurate No. 7 and Shooters World Major Pistol/Lovex D037-01
    - Accurate No. 7 and Vectan Ba7 1/2
    - Alliant Blue Dot and IMR Blue?
    - Accurate No. 9 and Shooters World Heavy Pistol/Lovex D037-02
    - Accurate No. 9 and Vectan Ba6 1/2
    - Winchester W296/H110 and Alliant 300MP
    - Winchester W296/H110 and Vectan Ba6 1/2
    - Winchester W296/H110 and Vihtavuori N110
    - Accurate 5744 and Shooters World Cowboy/Lovex D060-01
    - Accurate 1680 and Shooters World Blackout/Lovex D063-02
    - Hodgdon H335 and Ramshot TAC
    - Hodgdon H335 and Accurate 2230
    - Hodgdon H335 and Shooters World AR Plus/Lovex D073-04
    - Hodgdon 4895 and IMR 4895
    - IMR 4895 and Accurate 2495?
    - Hodgdon Varget and IMR 4064/Accurate 4064/Alliant RL15?
    - Hodgdon Varget and Lovex S062-01
    - Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Winchester 748
    - Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Lovex D073-05
    - Hodgdon CFE223 and Accurate 2520
    - Hodgdon CFE223 and Shooters World Match Rifle/Lovex D073-06
    - Hodgdon 4350 and Lovex S070-01
    - Hodgdon 4831 and Lovex S071-01
    - Norma MRP and Alliant RL22?
     
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