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  1. LiveLife

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    Updating the list from comment that Power Pistol is canister version of BE-84 which is slower burning than BE-86 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/full-power-9mm-powders.830743/page-2#post-10727788
    Disclosure: While efforts were made by THR members based on available information obtained by the posting date, consider the accuracy posted with a grain of salt and please always reference published load data when developing your loads. When powders are recommended for calibers that lack current published load data, use them at your own risk.

    Same exact powders (Same published load data, powder burn rate, charge weight and volume):

    - Winchester W231 and Hodgdon HP-38
    - Hodgdon HS-6 and Winchester W540
    - Hodgdon HS-7 and Winchester W571
    - Ramshot Silhouette and Winchester WAP
    - Ramshot Enforcer and Accurate 4100
    - Winchester W296 and Hodgdon H110
    - Hodgdon H4227 and IMR 4227
    - Accurate 2230 and Ramshot X-Terminator
    - Accurate 2520 and Ramshot Wild Boar
    - Alliant RL15 and Norma 203B
    - Winchester W760 and Hodgdon H414

    Comparable/close powders (Different load data, similar burn rate for reference BUT MUST USE published charge weight):

    - Alliant Bullseye and Vectan Ba10
    - Alliant Red Dot and Vectan Ba9 1/2
    - Alliant Red Dot and Alliant Promo (Alliant recommends using Red Dot load data by weight and not by volume)
    - Alliant Red Dot and IMR Red?
    - Hodgdon Clays and Alliant Clay Dot (for shotgun loads)
    - Hodgdon Clays and IMR Trail Boss?
    - Hodgdon Clays/WST and Vectan Prima SV (for shotgun loads)
    - Winchester WST and Ramshot Competition
    - Accurate No. 2 and Shooters World Clean Shot/Lovex D032-03
    - Hodgdon Titegroup and IMR Target
    - Hodgdon Titegroup and Vectan AS (for pistol loads) / Prima V (for shotgun loads)
    - Alliant Green Dot and IMR Green?
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Ramshot Zip
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Alliant Sport Pistol
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Alliant Green Dot
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Vectan 206V (for shotgun loads)
    - Accurate No. 5 and Shooters World Auto Pistol/Lovex D036-03
    - Accurate No. 5 and Vectan D-20/GM3 (for shotgun loads)
    - Vihtavuori N330 and Vectan A1
    - Alliant Unique/Universal and Vectan Ba9
    - Alliant Unique and Hodgdon Universal Clays
    - Alliant Unique and IMR Unequal?
    - Alliant Unique and Alliant BE-86
    - Alliant Unique and Alliant 20/28
    - Alliant Power Pistol and Alliant BE-86 (Power Pistol is canister version of BE-84 and slower burning than BE-86)
    - Alliant BE-86 and Alliant Herco (for 40S&W based on 2004 Alliant load data. No current load data from Alliant for Herco and 40S&W)
    - Alliant Herco and Vectan A0
    - Hodgdon CFE Pistol and Winchester AutoComp
    - Winchester AutoComp and Shooters World Ultimate Pistol/Lovex D036-07
    - CFE Pistol and Ramshot Silhouette?
    - Winchester WSF and Ramshot Silhouette?
    - Accurate No. 7 and Shooters World Major Pistol/Lovex D037-01
    - Accurate No. 7 and Vectan Ba7 1/2
    - Alliant Blue Dot and IMR Blue?
    - Accurate No. 9 and Shooters World Heavy Pistol/Lovex D037-02
    - Accurate No. 9 and Vectan Ba6 1/2
    - Winchester W296/H110 and Alliant 300MP
    - Winchester W296/H110 and Vectan Ba6 1/2
    - Winchester W296/H110 and Vihtavuori N110
    - Accurate 11FS and Winchester Alliant 300-MP/Hodgdon H110/Winchester W296?
    - Accurate 5744 and Shooters World Cowboy/Lovex D060-01
    - Accurate 1680 and Shooters World Blackout/Lovex D063-02
    - Hodgdon H335 and Ramshot TAC
    - Hodgdon H335 and Accurate 2230
    - Hodgdon H335 and Shooters World AR Plus/Lovex D073-04
    - Hodgdon 4895 and IMR 4895
    - IMR 4895 and Accurate 2495?
    - Hodgdon Varget and Accurate 4064/Alliant RL15/IMR 4064?
    - Hodgdon Varget and Lovex S062-01
    - Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Winchester 748
    - Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Lovex D073-05
    - Hodgdon CFE223 and Accurate 2520
    - Hodgdon CFE223 and Shooters World Match Rifle/Lovex D073-06
    - Hodgdon 4350 and Lovex S070-01
    - Hodgdon 4831 and Lovex S071-01
    - Norma MRP and Alliant RL22?
     
  2. LiveLife

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    Adding W244 as comparable to W231/HP-38. Since Winchester/Hodgdon is likely trying to improve W231/HP-38's performance, my guess is W244 will be slightly slower burning to produce higher velocities and be less temperature sensitive for match shooters looking to meet minor power factor year round.

    Looks like Alliant has blended Promo for better metering. Promo used to look like Red Dot with round granules added. Recent containers of Promo show all round granules (No more Red Dot flakes) and C-H 502 micrometer powder measure metered Promo with .12 gr variance (same as W231/HP-38) and Pro Auto Disk is metering with less than .2 gr variance with most drops less than .15 gr variance (down from .2-.3 gr+) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/c-h-502-micrometer-powder-measure-10-drops.834894/

    Alliant Sport Pistol was very "comparable" to W231/HP-38 using same powder charge for 9mm 115 gr FMJ to produce accuracy - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/new-alliant-sport-pistol.816514/page-5#post-10598431

    Many match shooters are claiming Sport Pistol as the next N320 that burns cleaner at lower cost - http://forums.brianenos.com/topic/258329-sport-pistol-powder/

    Range test for IMR Target - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-and-vectan-ba-9-5-ba-9.817796/#post-10508215

    Range test 1.155" vs 1.130" (OAL comparison test) for IMR Target and 115 gr FMJ - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ectan-ba-9-5-ba-9.817796/page-2#post-10511758

    Range test for Vectan Ba 9.5 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ectan-ba-9-5-ba-9.817796/page-2#post-10519646

    Range test #1 for IMR Red (Initial load development without published load data for 9mm) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ectan-ba-9-5-ba-9.817796/page-2#post-10520702

    Range test #2 for IMR Red (Fine tuning loads) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ectan-ba-9-5-ba-9.817796/page-2#post-10522925

    Range test #3 for IMR Red (Range test for accuracy) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ectan-ba-9-5-ba-9.817796/page-2#post-10523519


    Disclosure: While efforts were made by THR members based on available information obtained by the posting date, consider the accuracy posted with a grain of salt and please always reference published load data when developing your loads. When powders are recommended for calibers that lack current published load data, use them at your own risk.

    Same exact powders (Same published load data, powder burn rate, charge weight and volume):

    - Winchester W231 and Hodgdon HP-38
    - Hodgdon HS-6 and Winchester W540
    - Hodgdon HS-7 and Winchester W571
    - Ramshot Silhouette and Winchester WAP
    - Ramshot Enforcer and Accurate 4100
    - Winchester W296 and Hodgdon H110
    - Hodgdon H4227 and IMR 4227
    - Accurate 2230 and Ramshot X-Terminator
    - Accurate 2520 and Ramshot Wild Boar
    - Alliant RL15 and Norma 203B
    - Winchester W760 and Hodgdon H414

    Comparable/close powders (Different load data, similar burn rate for reference BUT MUST USE published charge weight):

    - Alliant Bullseye and Vectan Ba10
    - Alliant Red Dot and Vectan Ba9 1/2
    - Alliant Red Dot and Alliant Promo (Alliant recommends using Red Dot load data by weight and not by volume)
    - Alliant Red Dot and IMR Red
    - Hodgdon Clays and Alliant Clay Dot (for shotgun loads)
    - Hodgdon Clays and IMR Trail Boss?
    - Hodgdon Clays/WST and Vectan Prima SV (for shotgun loads)
    - Winchester WST and Ramshot Competition
    - Accurate No. 2 and Shooters World Clean Shot/Lovex D032-03
    - Hodgdon Titegroup and IMR Target
    - Hodgdon Titegroup and Vectan AS (for pistol loads) / Prima V (for shotgun loads)
    - Alliant Green Dot and IMR Green?
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Ramshot Zip
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Alliant Sport Pistol
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Winchester W244?
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Alliant Green Dot
    - Winchester W231/HP-38 and Vectan 206V (for shotgun loads)
    - Accurate No. 5 and Shooters World Auto Pistol/Lovex D036-03
    - Accurate No. 5 and Vectan D-20/GM3 (for shotgun loads)
    - Vihtavuori N330 and Vectan A1
    - Alliant Unique/Universal and Vectan Ba9
    - Alliant Unique and Hodgdon Universal Clays
    - Alliant Unique and IMR Unequal?
    - Alliant Unique and Alliant BE-86
    - Alliant Unique and Alliant 20/28
    - Alliant Power Pistol and Alliant BE-86 (Power Pistol is canister version of BE-84 and slower burning than BE-86)
    - Alliant BE-86 and Alliant Herco (for 40S&W based on 2004 Alliant load data. No current load data from Alliant for Herco and 40S&W)
    - Alliant Herco and Vectan A0
    - Hodgdon CFE Pistol and Winchester AutoComp
    - Winchester AutoComp and Shooters World Ultimate Pistol/Lovex D036-07
    - CFE Pistol and Ramshot Silhouette?
    - Winchester WSF and Ramshot Silhouette?
    - Accurate No. 7 and Shooters World Major Pistol/Lovex D037-01
    - Accurate No. 7 and Vectan Ba7 1/2
    - Alliant Blue Dot and IMR Blue?
    - Accurate No. 9 and Shooters World Heavy Pistol/Lovex D037-02
    - Accurate No. 9 and Vectan Ba6 1/2
    - Winchester W296/H110 and Alliant 300MP
    - Winchester W296/H110 and Vectan Ba6 1/2
    - Winchester W296/H110 and Vihtavuori N110
    - Accurate 11FS and Winchester Alliant 300-MP/Hodgdon H110/Winchester W296?
    - Accurate 5744 and Shooters World Cowboy/Lovex D060-01
    - Accurate 1680 and Shooters World Blackout/Lovex D063-02
    - Hodgdon H335 and Ramshot TAC
    - Hodgdon H335 and Accurate 2230
    - Hodgdon H335 and Shooters World AR Plus/Lovex D073-04
    - Hodgdon 4895 and IMR 4895
    - IMR 4895 and Accurate 2495?
    - Hodgdon Varget and Accurate 4064/Alliant RL15/IMR 4064?
    - Hodgdon Varget and Lovex S062-01
    - Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Winchester 748
    - Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Lovex D073-05
    - Hodgdon CFE223 and Accurate 2520
    - Hodgdon CFE223 and Shooters World Match Rifle/Lovex D073-06
    - Hodgdon 4350 and Lovex S070-01
    - Hodgdon 4831 and Lovex S071-01
    - Norma MRP and Alliant RL22?
     
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