Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

San Antonio Man Kills Intruder Not Charged

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by beaucoup ammo, May 1, 2008.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. beaucoup ammo

    beaucoup ammo Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2005
    Messages:
    1,218
    Location:
    San Antonio
    'Castle doctrine' likely will apply in fatal shooting

    Web Posted: 04/29/2008 11:14 PM CDT

    Robert Crowe
    Express-News
    After his home was burglarized earlier this week, Thomas Thames decided to arm himself in case the intruder returned, police say.

    The following night, he heard another noise at his home in the 5800 block of East Midcrown, so Thames, 39, walked downstairs. It was about 2:30 a.m. Tuesday when he once again saw a young man in his kitchen. The back door was open.

    This time, Thames fired a gun at the man, who ran into the backyard, where Thames shot at him again, police said.

    Ronnie Scarborough, 18, was pronounced dead at the scene.

    San Antonio police spokesman Sgt. Gabe Trevino said the resident had pulled the man into his house and waited for police to arrive.

    Police said the man killed at Thames’ Northeast Side home Tuesday matched the description of a burglary suspect the resident said he chased from the home the night before.

    Police said Tuesday that Thames likely won’t be charged with a crime because Texas law gives homeowners latitude in protecting their property and themselves.

    “A property owner, by Texas law, has the right to prevent the consequences of a burglary by utilizing deadly force if necessary,” Trevino said.

    For many years, Texas law has permitted residents to use deadly force to protect themselves and their personal property. Last year, the Legislature broadened the law to include a “castle doctrine,” allowing a person to use deadly force in self-defense against an intruder without having to retreat into his home."
     
  2. glocker82

    glocker82 member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2008
    Messages:
    123
    I wonder if he shot him with a 9mm...then we can end the debate once and for all.
     
  3. RoadkingLarry

    RoadkingLarry Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2007
    Messages:
    884
    Location:
    NE Oklahoma
    As it should be.
     
  4. PCFlorida

    PCFlorida Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2008
    Messages:
    333
    Location:
    Florida

    Sounds like he listens to too many Internet Rumors :barf:

    Lucky he didn't get charged for disturbing a crime scene.
     
  5. Biker

    Biker Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2005
    Messages:
    6,085
    Location:
    Idaho
    Although he may have been justified shooting the intruder under Texas law, I'm sure he could be charged with a number of violations by moving the body.

    Not a good idea.

    Biker
     
  6. p2000sk

    p2000sk Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2007
    Messages:
    358
    "Remember the good old days when it was ok to burglarize anyone you wanted to?"
    "No."
     
  7. glocker82

    glocker82 member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2008
    Messages:
    123
    See in this case, I think bird shot is appropriate...even if the guy gets away, he's gonna be full of holes and very identifiable.
     
  8. primlantah

    primlantah Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2007
    Messages:
    233
    when i lived in san antonio, after a burglary, the responding officer recommended dragging the SOB back inside after shooting him to make sure he is dead. You people out of state will be disgusted by this and will say thats terrible advice... but thats how they do it in san antonio. its crime is just high enough where the leos don't care about the bg anymore. IMO if everyone who robs a house in san antonio receives proper treatment there will be no room in hospitals or prisons for people who deserve the space. my .02
     
  9. csmkersh

    csmkersh Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2004
    Messages:
    1,050
    Location:
    San Antonio TX


    Wrong, glocker. Either you use deadly force or you don't fire at all.

    And 30 years ago I got the "drag him inside advice," but, even then, knew it was wrong.
     
  10. skinewmexico

    skinewmexico Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2006
    Messages:
    2,621
    Location:
    West Texas
    Nope, would have bounced off. I support the Castle Law fully, but I'm not sure I could shoot a guy running thru my back yard, even if he had been in my house.
     
  11. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2006
    Messages:
    5,356
    Location:
    Oregon
    Doesn't take CSI to see the blood trail from the yard to where the body lies in the house. Altering the scene after you kill someone is not a good idea.
    I'm glad the reporter didn't call it the "shoot first" or "make my day law" or any other such nonsense.

    Birdshot might be good if you know for certain they'll flee. If you suddenly realize the bad guy is going to turn violent it wouldn't be fun to ask him to hold on for a minute while you reload the shotgun with shells that'll actually penetrate deep enough to physically stop him instead of peppering him with the stuff for little birdies.
     
  12. Starship1st

    Starship1st Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2008
    Messages:
    654
    Location:
    Tucson, AZ
    I love happy endings. It is difficult to feel sorry for some one who was looking for an easy score and got justice.:cool:
     
  13. romma

    romma Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2005
    Messages:
    3,208
    Location:
    Southeastern,CT
    Not sure about the 9mm debate.

    My topic for debate would be:

    If you were a criminal, would you really want to keep your occupation based in TX?

    I know I would move from TX lickity-split...
     
  14. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    24,041
    Location:
    Idahohoho, the jolliest state
    Who says criminals never do the right thing?
     
  15. BruceRDucer

    BruceRDucer Member

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2008
    Messages:
    690
    Location:
    Denver Colorado
    /

    Speaking only for myself, I could care less if the property owner pulled the man in or out of the house, or propped him on top of the chimney in a Santa suit.

    I'm just happy the property owner was not hurt.:uhoh:
     
  16. C96

    C96 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2004
    Messages:
    419
    Location:
    Mid-Willamette Valley Oregon
    Maybe the property owner brought him into the house to give him first aid ? :evil:
     
  17. mekender

    mekender Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2007
    Messages:
    1,255
    thats what i was thinking... what if the guy was still alive and the guy dragged him inside to try to render aid?
     
  18. plexreticle

    plexreticle Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2006
    Messages:
    1,240
    Now he can look forward to the civil suits that will probably bankrupt him.
     
  19. Jimmy Newman

    Jimmy Newman Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2006
    Messages:
    280
    In Texas, theoretically you have statutory protection from civil suits in the event of a justified shooting like this.
     
  20. Sans Authoritas

    Sans Authoritas member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2008
    Messages:
    1,126
    Justified in shooting a fleeing perpetrator? According to your fellow men on a jury, there may be such a thing. I don't know if that kind of "justification" really counts in front of the only judgment seat of any real importance.

    When it comes to that seat, that 18-year old better have been armed and posing an active threat when the homeowner shot at him.

    I always thought that being armed for self-defense was to neutralize an immediate threat to one's life, limb, or in extreme cases, property: not to shoot at a fleeing burglar to "clean up society," as some here seem to feel.

    -Sans Authoritas
     
  21. Dksimon

    Dksimon Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    525
    Location:
    South Dakota
    maybe he was running out to get his weapon that he left stashed in the bushes?
    As a home owner you dont know what this guy is going to do and he is obviously an idiot if he burglarized the same house twice.
    I say fire away. +1 for the good guys
     
  22. skinewmexico

    skinewmexico Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2006
    Messages:
    2,621
    Location:
    West Texas
    Can't sue the homeowner under Texas Castle doctrine.
     
  23. plexreticle

    plexreticle Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2006
    Messages:
    1,240
    I'm sure a savvy lawyer can come up with a case. The guy was running away and was shot. The guy that shot him drug the body inside for some reason.
     
  24. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

    Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2007
    Messages:
    13,146
    He should not have shot the second shot, outside. But then again, the outcome does not upset me too much. Whether he is sued depends upon how the castle doctrine law is written, and thus whether the shot was justified, which in turn will determine whether the tort liability protection with justifiable self-defense kicks in. Prior to castle doctrine, that's murder (shooting a fleeing suspect outside the home.).
     
  25. bogie

    bogie Member

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2003
    Messages:
    9,569
    Location:
    St. Louis, in the Don't Show Me state
    sq. root of 4,387,285,290

    Heh, heh...
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page