Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Sarsilmaz 9mm handgun?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by StephenT, Aug 15, 2007.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. StephenT

    StephenT Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2004
    Messages:
    432
    Location:
    Houston TX
    Today, the Academy Sports (TX) flyer is advertising a Sarsilmaz Hancer 9mm pistol on sale for $359.99. I think Academy Sports here in Houston carries two variations, the other being a 15+1 Kama sporting a longer barrel and vents toward the front of the frame.

    I was wondering if anyone on the board had picked up one of these Turkish-made guns and how well the gun has performed for you thus far....

    Here's a link to the company's website: http://www.sarsilmaz.com/eng/urun_alt.php?id=21
     
  2. megjur

    megjur Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2007
    Messages:
    18
    Sarsilmaz is building their CZ-75 knockoff for Armalite too, reviews have been good. The Kama, if I'm correct features a slide mount decocker, while the Hancer has standard CZ75 safety.
     
  3. StephenT

    StephenT Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2004
    Messages:
    432
    Location:
    Houston TX
    Well, I decided to take the plunge and picked up the 9mm. Though quite compact (13 round mags) and comfortable in my hand, the gun is actually quite heavy being all steel. It reminds me of the CZ-75 PCR. Fit and finish seem to be excellent. I'll give it a test run this weekend and will let you how it performs.
     
  4. Whirlwind06

    Whirlwind06 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2006
    Messages:
    540
    Location:
    North East Ohio
    Looks a lot like my Baby desert eagle. But the DE has a slide mounted safety.
    Mine is all steel too.
     
  5. Silent Bob

    Silent Bob Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2003
    Messages:
    508
    Location:
    Texas
    Can the Hancer be carried cocked and locked?
     
  6. ajoker31

    ajoker31 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2006
    Messages:
    200
    Really looking forward to your range report. Although I was tempted to buy one myself I wanted to give them a bit of time before I also took the plung. If my local Academy Sports would have had one with a lower serial number it would have been impossible to hold back.

    Now if Academy starts selling the Kilinc 2000 Professional I'll be all over it! I haven't seen anything about a warranty on it though....have you?

    Joker
     
  7. StephenT

    StephenT Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2004
    Messages:
    432
    Location:
    Houston TX
    Bob -- yes, the gun may be carried in condition 1.
     
  8. armoredman

    armoredman Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2003
    Messages:
    16,769
    Location:
    proud to be in AZ
    Clone of a clone. Sarsilmaz was originally listed by Tanfoglio as a distributer, then moved into thier own manufacturing. Now the clone of a clone is coming in the US as Armalite, and under it's own name.
    Don't think this means it is a bad sidearm, by any means. Sarsilmaz had an interesting torture test ala Glock with one of thier early pistols, and it passed quite handily. The CZ-75 based Sarsilmaz is apparently quite a fine firearm, and Turkey has had an extensive quality firearms industry for some time.
    They have some engraved models that are quite attractive.
     
  9. Wandering Man

    Wandering Man Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2007
    Messages:
    7
    So do we have a range report, yet?

    WM
     
  10. ikelo

    ikelo Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2007
    Messages:
    15
    Location:
    Austin, TX
    I looked at the Kama and Hancer again today at Academy. As others have mentioned, Acadamy LLC Katy, TX is stamped in the side of the gun.

    The Hancer looks the best to me, somewhat like a CZ PCR, but the grips are really wide.
     
  11. StephenT

    StephenT Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2004
    Messages:
    432
    Location:
    Houston TX
    Ok, I've just returned from the range where I tried out Academy's Turkish 9mm.

    I fired 150 rounds (S&B, Ingman, and Wolf) in all and experienced two FTFs with the wolf ammo. S&B and Ingman fed without the slightest problem. Accuracy was similar with all three brands.

    I imagine that the trigger will become smoother with more practice. The trigger has some slight creep in single action mode. All in all, I'm very pleased with the Hancer.

    Below is a picture of my shots at 15 yards.
     

    Attached Files:

  12. kjeff50cal

    kjeff50cal Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2005
    Messages:
    686
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    what pic :confused:.
     
  13. StephenT

    StephenT Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2004
    Messages:
    432
    Location:
    Houston TX
    Sorry, I had some trouble adding it. The 10.1 resolution made the photo too large (3.5MB), so I had to figure out how to compress it. It's there now.
     
  14. kjeff50cal

    kjeff50cal Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2005
    Messages:
    686
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    Verrrry Nice!!!! Im torn between the Hancer and the Kama (a buick lover:p). I will get one or the other to keep my EAA Witness company.
     
  15. zanzibar

    zanzibar Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2009
    Messages:
    1
    I know this is an old thread, but I just purchased a Hancer 2000 9mm from Academy. Put 200 rounds of cheap ammo through it without a single problem. Very accurate at 10 yds or less. Didn't try greater distances. Materials, construction, fit and finish are all excellent. Rubber grips feel good in my hand. Trigger action is smooth and effective. Field strips very simply. Overall, a highy capable firearm that compares very favorably with much higher priced models.
     
  16. JAV8000

    JAV8000 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2009
    Messages:
    199
    Location:
    Ft. Riley, Kansas
    If it's anything like my Stoeger Cougar (Turkish made), I would say you got a great deal. I still really want an all steel CZ SP01 non-decocker model. I figure it to be a really fast shooter with hot 9mm ammo, kinda like a super hi-cap 9mm 1911 SA/condition 1 capable service auto that also has second strike capability.

    My Stoeger Cougar rocks with hot 9mms. Turkey arms manufacturers have shown the capacity to produce some really nice guns for bargain prices in recent years.
     
  17. Dobe

    Dobe member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2003
    Messages:
    1,583
    Location:
    U.S.A.
    I have the AR-24. It is very well made, and the quality is high. I prefer it to a CZ.
     
  18. Nosidda Zneas

    Nosidda Zneas Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2007
    Messages:
    61
    i got the KAMA the day after christmas for $250 clearance ($50) taken off from a gift card. finish fit and feel are excellent! been researching it for about a year and am glad to have made the purchase. I shot it two days ago and the trigger is smooth and trhe cycling of the slide and rounds is smooth great gun well made groups well firt mag i shot held a 2 inch group at 15'

    i would trust my life to it
     
  19. Arthur2001

    Arthur2001 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2009
    Messages:
    58
    I highly advise to test fire a Stoeger Cougar 8000F. I had the opportunity to experience it in a range around 150 rounds. No single failure at all and quite good shooter with its rotated barrel. As per the range guys tolds, it had over 35.000 rounds shooted without any failure.
    Cheers,
     
  20. tekarra

    tekarra Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2007
    Messages:
    1,277
    $250 for a Kama! Where?
     
  21. mactex

    mactex Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2006
    Messages:
    73
    Location:
    Central Tejas
    Soooo... What type of holster is everyone using and what type of pistol do the Sarsilmaz cross reference to when you order a holster?
     
  22. Volfy

    Volfy Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2009
    Messages:
    68
    Location:
    TX
    Just bought one too, after watching the remaining stock at the local stores beginnning to disappear. Academy has been marking the clearance price down several times already. Both Hancer and Kama are now $278+tx. I really wanted to like the Kama, which I couldn't find an exact same model on Sarsilmaz's website. The closest I could find is the P8S, but it has a top-vented barrel & slide whereas the Kama does not.

    I went with the Hancer because it simply felt better in my hands. I am pretty sure it's the same as the K10C on Sarsilmaz's website.

    The after-sale support does bother me some - now that Academy is quitting the line - but Briley's local to me, so I figure it's worth a gamble at that price.

    The fit&finish - where it matters - is as good as most pistols south of $800. The slide rails felt smooth and precise. There are some internal non-mating surfaces that are somewhat rough and show machining marks, but that's just cosmetics. And none of the letterings were lasered or fancy etched.

    Even though I do own polymer guns, there is something gratifying about an all-metal gun. Especially steel, which makes that unique bright klanking sound when you rack & release the slide, that even aluminum frame can't quite match.

    Probably not ideal for carry, but I have a feeling this one will see a lot more range time than all my other pistols, with the exception of the Buckmark 22.

    BTW, tried the magazine from the $699 CZ75 at the store, and it fits well, but does stick out a bit. Other online owners reported CZ 9mm 15-rd mags working flawlessly with the Sarsilmaz, So I am not too worried about finding extra mags.
     
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2010
  23. BossHogg

    BossHogg Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2008
    Messages:
    689
    Location:
    Arkansas
    Fits my 1911 leather holsters but not plastic, also set in glock and sigma holsters.
     
  24. Volfy

    Volfy Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2009
    Messages:
    68
    Location:
    TX
    Bought a Mec-gar CZ 75 Compact 9mm 14rd, and it cycles rounds just fine in the Hancer 2000. Haven't made it to range yet. It is about the same length as the stock Sarsilmaz 13rd mags, but because it has just a plain steel base plate, it does leave about 1/4" gap. I am sure I can fashion some kind of a filler to take up the gap, if I ever feel the need to. For now, if it works well enough for target use, I'll be happy already.
     
  25. Volfy

    Volfy Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2009
    Messages:
    68
    Location:
    TX
    Just came back from shooting the Hancer 2000 for the first time at the range. Couldn't get the gun to fire at first. Squeeze the trigger, hammer falls, but no bang. Cycle the slide and found no strike mark on the primer cap. Push the firing pin and it does stick out and spring back properly.

    I then reinserted the loaded mag and tried it again. Still no bang. This time I pulled the trigger again - in DA mode - and BANG! Pulled the trigger again (in SA mode) and no bang. It would reliably fire in DA mode, but not in SA mode. I fire off some 50 rds, and then occasionally the Hancer would fire in SA. That's when it dawned on me that Doh!!! I should've cleaned it thoroughly first before bringing it to the range. It was probably all that cosmoline or grease that made the firing pin move sluggishly at first.

    By the end of the 100rds, it was firing on SA every time.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page