Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Savage 12 groups

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by atlanticfire, Oct 13, 2008.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. atlanticfire

    atlanticfire Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Messages:
    832
    Location:
    Eastern Shore
    Wanted some input on some groups I shot today. I only get to a range about twice a month, so my abilities could be better. I'm more than sure the rifle could do much better. Both groups where shot with hand loads.
    168 gr SMK HTBP
    44 Gr Varget
    Win Brass
    WLR primers
    Here is 200 yards
    Here is 300
    The 200 was 7 rounds, and the 300 was 5.
    Let me know what you think good or bad. Maybe give me some tips.:eek:
     
  2. Ron James

    Ron James Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2006
    Messages:
    2,335
    Location:
    Arizona
    Nice way to Bragg:):)
     
  3. rangerruck

    rangerruck Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2006
    Messages:
    8,374
    Location:
    Texas, baby!
    excellent groups, all appear to be .5 moa or better; but I gotta say, strange
    stringing of the groups, what do you think that is?
     
  4. Deer Hunter

    Deer Hunter Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2005
    Messages:
    4,097
    Are you kidding me? You missed the quarter, twice!
     
  5. atlanticfire

    atlanticfire Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Messages:
    832
    Location:
    Eastern Shore
    I think it was just me. I was shooting from a bipod and sand bag. There was a little cross wind. Maybe about 8 to 10 mpg. not constant though. Could that cause that "Stringing" effect?
     
  6. Geno

    Geno Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2005
    Messages:
    14,847
    Darned good groups.
     
  7. esmith

    esmith Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2007
    Messages:
    1,093
    Location:
    Pittsburgh
    I hate you.......
     
  8. atlanticfire

    atlanticfire Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Messages:
    832
    Location:
    Eastern Shore
    I know! Maybe I should try silver dollars!
     
  9. skinewmexico

    skinewmexico Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2006
    Messages:
    2,621
    Location:
    West Texas
    The stringing could be due to barrel heat, or a bedding problem.
     
  10. atlanticfire

    atlanticfire Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Messages:
    832
    Location:
    Eastern Shore
    This was after shooting for a while. Maybe a little heat was the factor. I'll have to get back out when I can and try again. Go right to 300 cold and not start at the 200.
     
  11. skinewmexico

    skinewmexico Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2006
    Messages:
    2,621
    Location:
    West Texas
    How long do you wait between shots?
     
  12. atlanticfire

    atlanticfire Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Messages:
    832
    Location:
    Eastern Shore
    about 30 seconds between shots, then would give it about 2-3 min after 5 shots.
     
  13. HB

    HB Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2007
    Messages:
    1,330
    Location:
    St. Louis, MO
    That is true, but I wouldn't change a thing :D
     
  14. mdThanatos

    mdThanatos Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2008
    Messages:
    621
    Location:
    NA
    Just curious but what caliber is the rifle in?
     
  15. The Deer Hunter

    The Deer Hunter Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2006
    Messages:
    2,801
    Location:
    Chairborne HQ, MA :(
    Or maybe a .50 cal.
     
  16. skinewmexico

    skinewmexico Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2006
    Messages:
    2,621
    Location:
    West Texas
    I've always heard at least 3 minutes between shots if you don't want the barrel heat to be a factor. But I honestly don't know where that came from.
     
  17. atlanticfire

    atlanticfire Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Messages:
    832
    Location:
    Eastern Shore
    Its in .308. I'll try the waiting thing next time for a few groups and see if anything improves. I still think allot of it is just me and my inexperience.
     
  18. rangerruck

    rangerruck Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2006
    Messages:
    8,374
    Location:
    Texas, baby!
    I would say we need some info on any tweeks you did to the rifle; free floated, bedded, what kind of stock, etc? I also would wait 1 whole minute, even before, you start to settle in for the next shot. Even if it is free floated, I would check the free float, after you heat the bbl up some.
     
  19. atlanticfire

    atlanticfire Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Messages:
    832
    Location:
    Eastern Shore
    Come to thing of it your right. I never checked it after it was heated up a bit. Its an unmodified Savage 12 F/TR. Bushnell Elite 4200 8x32x40 with a harris pod on it. Trigger is set to about 1 lb.
     
  20. CRITGIT

    CRITGIT member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2008
    Messages:
    404
    Take A lap!:D

    CRITGIT
     
  21. atlanticfire

    atlanticfire Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Messages:
    832
    Location:
    Eastern Shore
    What are you trying to say?:scrutiny:
     
  22. rangerruck

    rangerruck Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2006
    Messages:
    8,374
    Location:
    Texas, baby!
    well , the ft/r with some good bushnell glass, I would say you could maybe do better. I would say the rifle MAY have the capability of cutting those groups sizes in half again. I would say , do a good cleaning job on it, especially for copper,if yo have to , get one of those reverse electroplating bbl cleaners, or build your own with about 15 dollars in parts. recheck the freefloat when it heats up. make sure all screws are nice and tight, and if there is a reference you can get, from savage, as to how tight the take down screws should be with a torque wrench, find that out asap.
    Even so, I would clean for copper especially , very well, for the next 200 rounds.
    after that, I think if everything else is as should be, and tweaked and tightened, and torqued, it should really start to shrink down on those groups. That is, if you are up to the challenge.
     
  23. atlanticfire

    atlanticfire Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Messages:
    832
    Location:
    Eastern Shore
    I’m fairly obsessive compulsive when it comes to cleaning time. :rolleyes:Although I don’t know of this “reverse electroplating bbl cleaners”. Could you please explain a little further? Thanks for the tip about the torque, I’ll contact Savage about those numbers. I’ll load a ton more rounds and hit the range. Leaving more time between shots though. And see if I can’t do better. And just to have a goal, what is a respectable 300 yard group that would be possible for me to obtain? That is if I’m up to the challenge.;)
     
  24. skinewmexico

    skinewmexico Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2006
    Messages:
    2,621
    Location:
    West Texas
    They're respectable now! You asked how to make them better. And every time you clean it, you're going to have to shoot several shots until it's fouled, and back shooting like it should. Guys in F-Class will shoot a weekend match without cleaning, so don't over-clean. Clean it when your accuracy drops off.
     
  25. Sam Adams

    Sam Adams Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2003
    Messages:
    2,035
    Location:
    South Texas
    If you don't mind, how much did that all cost? I've got a Remington 700 that I'm thinking of either accurizing, or selling to replace with a Rem 5R milspec, or selling to replace with a Savage 12FVSS. I'm trying to get the best and most repeatable accuracy for the cheapest price (and I know that none of the options are cheap).
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page