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Savage Bedding attemp!

Discussion in 'Gunsmithing and Repairs' started by kmw1954, Sep 20, 2021.

  1. kmw1954

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    So I gave it a valid attempt and sadly it did not turn out as I had hoped. Have a number of issues to address. Started with having trouble removing the staked in mag well box for the Stagger Feed blind magazine and now after reinstalling it there is a rattle that wasn't there before. The bedding didn't turn out as well as I imagined as it doesn't feel very tight, the barrel has a cant to the right and the action screws do not align very well. Lastly upon reassembly I have something askew as the trigger does not reset even when removed from the stock.

    I may just grind it all out and try again.

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    It can take some practice to get consistently good results. Ive had to grind out both other peoples and my own attempts at bedding a few times.
     
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    This shows I certainly need the practice! Any clue as to what could be up with the trigger reinstall?
     
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    Did you cover all the holes with clay or install the action with the screws? It looks to me like you may not have had enough of the release agent. What type of release agent did you use? It also appears that the action was not compressed enough. Did you use any tape around the barrel, by wrapping tape a few times on the barrel it helps to center in the forearm.

    For a first try , you did go a good job, now it is a question of practice, my first attempt looked worse.
     
  5. kmw1954

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    All parts on the action were removed. Modeling clay in all parts needed. Paste wax used as release, two coats. As you can see clearly in the third picture there is tape around the barrel nut and also around the barrel. Did not screw down the action screws because I was told it would stress the epoxy.
     
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    Depending on how the stock is cut the radius where the receiver sets can be different. On the Rem7 I'm working on the stock is too wide by 1/8", so I'm going to bed the whole action to the receiver radius. Where the pillars are at would be enough but I will go down the sides too. I will screw mine down snug so it will have zero clearance at the rear and not show the epoxy. It will show some on 1 side due to how it fits the larger opening.

    It's possible on yours that you used too much tape. Try to find where it's contacting and relieve the area. The epoxy I'm using will not stress for it has a very long cure time 8-10 hrs. Fast set epoxy can expand as they cure besides giving off heat.

    The beauty of the West system epoxy is that you can color the resin, and add different additives to thicken the epoxy for you need. I'm using the high density additive which is like liquid metal, main use is for securing hardware.
     
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    Is that the same epoxy as sold by West Marine? I knew they had color additives but not thickeners. Link it if you can.
     
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    Most Marine dealers carry it, but may not carry the fillers. Here is West System Epoxy web site https://www.westsystem.com/. They have a free manual that can be down loaded, but is aimed at boat repairs. But it explains the additives/fillers that can be used and it's best application. ( https://www.westsystem.com/the-105-system/fillers/) Some are just to thicken it up so it does not run for vertical application. You have a option of 3-4 speed hardners. I have the fast and slow. I used the Fast when I did my boat repair during the winter. The slow gives you a long work time so there is no hurry to rush. One thing you must be aware of is the thickness of mixed epoxy, the thicker it is the faster it will set. I've mixed up too much at times and the epoxy starts to smokes as it kicks and sets. But if you spread it out over a larger area, you will have close to full work time. One thing that is recommend is that you apply a coat of just the epoxy resin to the surface before you use the epoxy/fillers. This is for the epoxy to be adsorbed by the wood and makes a stronger bond.
     
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    Somewhat aware of West Systems as I have done a number of boat transoms and was a member @ iboats forum for a long time. Just never used West Systems.

    For now I think i have enough Marine Tex to do this one more time.
     
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    WEST System is the best. As I have stated before, because of vast hands-on experience.
    The acronym WEST comes from "Wood Epoxy Saturation Technique". They know their stuff, and only sell the best (available to us normal people, not industry).
     
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    This will be on my list as I still have Richards Microfit stock coming sometime in Oct/Nov.

    Also the Spike Camp is now all ground out and ready for the second attempt.
     
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    UPDATE, ATTEMPT #2

    Ground out all the previous epoxy and set up a second attempt. Once again ran into problems, some of which are lack of experience and some is choice of materials.

    One of the mishaps I've found was the choice of clay. I used Crayola brand modeling clay and all I can say is I do not recommend! It seems very dry with no directions to moisten it and does not seem to hold in place. Mine was displaced by the epoxy in the mag feed opening and made a great mess inside the receiver. Next issue was the release agent, in this case Johnson Paste Wax. On one side of the receiver there was a lot of epoxy oozing out from the stock and did my best wipe it off. Some small smears remained again only this time they would not come off as they did the first time. Again the only thing I can conclude was that I disturbed the surface while wiping off the excess.

    One side of the stock the epoxy is still not smooth but it wasn't torn out either. Otherwise the fit is tight and the barrel is centered. Oh, and I did use action studs to keep the receiver aligned. So I will put it back together and give it a shoot.
     
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    It is amazing how quickly things can go south when there's a committee providing all sorts of instructions. :(
     
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    I really appreciate you taking the time to share with us your progress and lessons along the way, I have been considering an attempt at bedding the stock on my old savage 110.
     
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    As far as I know that's what the forum is here for. Sharing experiences and information. Sometimes even just supplying encouragement makes a difference.

    Your Model 110, two questions for you, Is it stagger feed or center feed? Detachable Box Mag or Blind Mag? They both present different challenges.

    So I have it all back together so now I will have to reset my scope as I am using Warne Maxima rings so everything moved when I took it off. Looking to get out either tomorrow or Friday.
     
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    its an old 110E i believe stagger feed with a blind mag, 7mm rem mag.
     
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    Then you would run into the same set of issues that I have with my Model 10. Also easy enough to bed a pillar to the front screw the rear becomes much more difficult. any question about mine, ask and I will do my best to answer them.
     
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    thanks alot, I should have more time on my hands to make an attempts once the winter sets in. I have started to watch youtube videos and read up here and try to gain as much info as possible
     
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    Good deal. By then I should be well into working on the walnut stock for my Model 11
     
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    Sorry to here you ran into problems the 2nd time around. As long as you have a tight fit you should be good. On your gun parts you can wipe a layer of grease on the internals to keep any excess from sticking. If you noticed on mine I some voids, but more than enough surface to support the receiver.
     
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    Alright! Took it to the range today and shot it. 5 shots at 50 yards and the last three were in the center. Then moved to the 100yd and and put 8 shots into a 2" square with cheap steel case ammo. Then shot off some left over loads with 62gr Hornady HPBT over some TAC and Benchmark powders. The Benchmark were MOA and the TAC was 1.25 MOA. But with the TAC loads I was still making some adjustments.

    Over-all I am very pleased with the results and this stock is much more comfortable than the Thumbhole stock. There is still a new issue but I will start another thread so as to not conflate this one.

    Thanks everyone!
     
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