Savage's Pros & Cons

[DIM]

Jeff my muzzleloader shoots tighter patterns like 0.75 - 0.8" @ 100

upps I measured it wrong 0.638"@ 100 using 250 gr TC shockwaves and 95 gr 777, that's just amazing for muzzleloader ...

I have one of those 200 liberty models from ruger in 30-06, it shoots like 1 - 1.5 MOA

 

[JoeMal]

DIM, we get it. Please...you're clogging up this thread. Your marketing comment is both absurd and hilarious.

 

[Flintknapper]

Been very happy with the Savage products.

Model 16 Stainless in 7mm-08, very accurate rifle.
Model 10 Precision Carbine .308....EXCELLENT!

 

[robfromsc]

Ive got a 10fcp with the HS stock. 2nd owner, guess about 500 down the pipe. Sub-MOA if I do my job. Longest shots at 400yds float around 1.5"-2". Im no match winner, gun out shoots me. Kills deer too

 

[reloader-1]

Own 5 Savage rifles.

Amazing things - they shoot better than I can.

DIM... let me put it this way. You are the unlucky guy who bought a BMW/Porsche/Audi/Mercedes etc and it was a total clunker. You went back to the dealer and somehow the next one you got was a total lemon as well.

That being said, out of all the cars that manufacturer makes (or rifles, in this case) you have experience with 3 of them. That's it. Combined, I can do a quick search and give you probably over 2000 posts by unique individual members in the last 6 months praising Savage's reliability and accuracy.

We get it - you got some bad rifles. That WILL happen, no matter what brand you buy. What really matters is HOW OFTEN that happens. For you, it was 100%... but that is only 0.0015% of their annual production (200,000 rifles, 3 duds), and 0.0003% of their last 5 years production.

If I told you that the next rifle you bought, you had a 99.9995% chance of getting a good rifle, would you buy it?


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Side note - I do NOT work for any company in the firearms business, nor any advertiser, nor any "marketing" thing. I am a satisfied Savage customer, and my money is where my mouth is - they are building me a .260 as we speak.

The hardest thing to do sometimes is admit you are in the wrong.

 

[DIM]

Thank you, Jeff! By the way talking about luck got new Vortex scope and tested yesterday, it was very windy gusting to 20 mph, still was able to shoot 0.5 - 0.6" groups with it, but parallax settings were off, at 100 yards, I had to turn parallax to 300, at 200 yards I was was passed infinity mark and I couldn't get focus at 300. Good thing it has lifetime warranty so its on its way for repairs as I type. Yeah I heard Vortex is good, but life full of surprises this days...

 

[BoilerUP]

I've got 5 Savages (10FP, 11, 12FV, and 2 110s) - they all shoot better than I can.

And if they don't, I can change flavors less than in 15 minutes with a shop vise, wood blocks and a barrel nut wrench. With a Remmy, you're off to a gunsmith.

 

[DIM]

+1 to what BoilerUP said... Basically that's what I'm doing now, there is nothing wrong with Savage action and barrel nut eliminates need for gunsmith. I should of kept that 11 bth since I already had its boyd's stock bedded, but that smooth barrel nut throw me off and I trade it... By the way Savage barrel nut is available for Rem 700, that's another thing to think about...

 

[Txhillbilly]

DIM,I'm sorry to hear about all of your Savage problems,but I think we've all been there with some brand of product in our lives. Move on,and forget it!

In the 40 years that I've been shooting,I've been disappointed with many brands of things concerning firearms.But Savage firearms isn't one of them.

I did get a very rough barrel from them a while back when I called Effie Sullivan at Savage and ordered a 110FLP-25/06.It had been discontinued,but they still had some barrels in stock.
Tooling gets dull from extended use,and as my luck had it,the barrel was as rough as a washboard.
I could've sent it back,and just maybe,the other barrels they had in stock would've been better.But I doubt it.
I hand lapped the barrel twice,and it still was rough as hell,so I ended up fire lapping the barrel with Tubb's Final Finish bullets,and guess what.That rifle shoots great now,and is fast & easy to clean.

I have 6 Savage rifles 2 Pre-Accutrigger,and 4 with the Accutrigger.They all shoot great.
The factory tupperware stocks suck! I change the stocks on every rifle that has them.
The Accutrigger-You either like it,or you don't. Personally,I like'em,but I also like Rifle Basix triggers too.

Savage isn't the best rifle in the world,but they are a good platform to make one.

 

[Flintknapper]

DIM wrote:

By the way talking about luck got new Vortex scope and tested yesterday, it was very windy gusting to 20 mph, still was able to shoot 0.5 - 0.6" groups with it, but parallax settings were off, at 100 yards

You really have a black cloud following you around, I have never heard of one person having so much trouble with so many products. It must be frustrating.

BTW what "line" of Vortex scope was this? If it was the crossfire line (made in China) then I would expect nothing but trouble from it.

When you say the parallax setting was "off" at 100 yds. what exactly do you mean?

I had to turn parallax to 300, at 200 yards

That is an unusual amount of disparity, but you understand that "parallax" is simply a focal correction and will necessarily be different for you (than me) if our vision is different. Do you have normal eyesight? The numbers/markings on the scope really mean nothing and I don't know why they even bother putting them on. Just adjust (at any given range and power) for clarity and shoot!

I was was passed infinity mark and I couldn't get focus at 300. Good thing it has lifetime warranty so its on its way for repairs as I type. Yeah I heard Vortex is good, but life full of surprises this days...

Hopefully, they will get you fixed up....as it certainly sounds like you could use a break.

 

[DIM]

Yeah its crossfire the 8 -32 x50 model with 30 mm tube, for me to see target @ 100 yards the parallax setting have to turn it just a bit passed 300 mark, before that its blurry, I have Nikon and Tasco with parallax adjustments they seemed to be right on where they supposed to be. I have 20/20 vision maybe a bit better, but I don't think its focus is set correctly, at 300 yards I had problem viewing 1.5" target and impact points from 223... But @ 100 or 200 yards targets and bullet holes were crystal clear.

Now about factory stocks, I only have one with synthetic stock on 111 model, I bedded it so its much better now., that rifle is the only Savage which shoots 0.3" 3 shots groups and I'm only using it for hunting its in 270 WIN by the way. The accutriger, its OK I guess, but I would rather not have middle blade it keeps tripping safety on lowest setting and its a bit frustrating when you ready to take a shot and sear gets blocked by safety...

Effie Sullivan, yeah I had conversation with her over the phone she got that Jamaican accent... but it was more like interrogation..., by the way, she authorize exchange of my LRP for LRPV, but it wasn't real LRPV since it didn't have HS Precision stock, it had laminate instead with pillars and those pillars had no contact with action... That rifle shoots better without middle action screw, that middle screw messes up groups...

Yeah I guess I can use a break, since my rifle range will be closed for few weeks...

 

[Usertag]

Ha did I just read the word "Cons" and "Savage" in the same thread. Haha, but iI love savage in every single way. The only bad thing is they can make a gun look pretty vague.

 

[DIM]

Jeff the reticule is not blurry, but the target is @ 300 yards no matter what eyepiece adjustments I make there are not enough adjustments on AO, again I have to set AO more then 300 to get sharp image at 100 yards and so on...

 

[mnhntr]

Savage makes a good budget rifle. If you're thinking about $700-$850 for a rifle buy the Winchester Extreme Weather. Better rifle, more accurate, better trigger, better stock. And you are in the same price range.

WRONG. Savage builds a better out of the box rifle. The Accu trigger is better then any Winchester trigger. And as far as more accurate do you have pics of these targets you have shot side by side with these two rifles or is this your opinion.

 

[Smokey in PHX]

I have four Savage rifles of recent manufacturer and also many other brands of rifles. I also mount a lot of scopes for people on all kinds of rifles. Overall the average Savage rifle appears to shoot tighter groups than the average other brand. That is not to say that others do not shoot good groups, they do. The Savages just seem to be a little better than the others.

I did have one problem with a person's .308 that tended to shoot very erratic groups. I called Savage and they had me send it back and they replaced the barrel. The rifle was fine after the replacement.

 

[DIM]

Jeff, I thought its combination of both, either way I couldn't get focus set for 300 yards with magnification above 18X, in the scope I like to see bullet impact on paper, of course what would I expect from 200 dollar scope...

 

[DIM]

I think you don't understand, I did eyepiece adjustments, this is not my first scope, this scope is defective it wouldn't adjust correctly, I send it for warranty repairs let them figure out...
heres is definition of AO
Adjustable Objective
An adjustable objective is a dial around the objective end of the scope, or a knob on the left side of the turret housing that allows you to adjust your scope's parallax to a certain distance by moving these adjustments until a clear picture is perceived, and/or the marked corresponding incremental yardages are approximated to your target distance. The correct setting of an adjustable objective prevents the apparent movement between the reticle and the target when the shooter moves his head slightly off center of the rifle scope.

 

[JoeMal]

Seriously guys quit! Take your 'discussion' to PM because this has nothing to do with the OP

 

[JoeMal]

This is NOT a scope parallax/AO thread! Start your own thread you're simply hijacking the Savage discussion. I come here to see what others think about Savages and all I see is you guys going back and forth about unrelated topics.

 

[reloader-1]

I second Joe's point.

It doesn't matter who started this thread, who your friend is, and what the discussion is about. If it does not pertain to the thread topic it should not be posted in this thread.

People searching for "Savage Pros & Cons" in Google will come across this thread and find 25% has nothing to do with the topic.

If it is a personal conversation, please PM each other, or if you feel this is an educational thread, please post it as a separate thread.

 

[cacoltguy]

I have been following this thread closely as I am in the market to purchase a new rifle in a 6.5mm chambering hopefully in the next 6 months. I tend to research my purchases pretty thoroughly and I'm 90% set on a Savage (specifically the Model 12 LRP) The vast majority of people who buy Savages have great results with them and the out of the box accuracy seems to be as good or better than anything else on the market within the same price range. The thing with negative forum threads about rifles is that you have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. Improper maintenance, lack of basic care/abuse of the rifle, iffy handloads, crummy scopes or scope mounting techniques can all make a good rifle look bad. If someone has 3 purchases in a row that turn out to be defective, then they are either the most unlucky purchasers of firearms in recorded history or there is more than meets the eye. Personally I will most likely be purchasing a Savage rifle with confidence in the near future.

FYI. If you want to minimize your risk of purchasing a lemon, then avoid any Remington made in the last 5 or 6 years.

 

[Racinready300ex]

I have been following this thread closely as I am in the market to purchase a new rifle in a 6.5mm chambering hopefully in the next 6 months. I tend to research my purchases pretty thoroughly and I'm 90% set on a Savage (specifically the Model 12 LRP) The vast majority of people who buy Savages have great results with them and the out of the box accuracy seems to be as good or better than anything else on the market within the same price range. The thing with negative forum threads about rifles is that you have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. Improper maintenance, lack of basic care/abuse of the rifle, iffy handloads, crummy scopes or scope mounting techniques can all make a good rifle look bad. If someone has 3 purchases in a row that turn out to be defective, then they are either the most unlucky purchasers of firearms in recorded history or there is more than meets the eye. Personally I will most likely be purchasing a Savage rifle with confidence in the near future.

FYI. If you want to minimize your risk of purchasing a lemon, then avoid any Remington made in the last 5 or 6 years.

Cacolyguy

I got to shoot one of the LRP's in 6.5 creedmore the other day at 600 yards and was very impressed. We were drilling the 10 ring and busting spotters all day. When I burn up my 6 BR barrel, it will be relaced with a 6.5 creedmore.

 

[Sam1911]

The useful information in this thread about Savages has long since been posted.

O.k. Good, then.

We do indeed try to stay topical. Best to take any side issues to a thread of their own. It sure helps folks trying to find information later, and that's very important to us here.

Maybe we need a thread in "Accessories" about how Parallax works. If you think so, by all means start one.