Saving Private Lynch story 'flawed'
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Tamara
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So, Dr. Harith, the famous international hostage rescue expert and consultant to SFOD-Delta and the 22nd Regiment (SAS), is telling the truth, and everybody else is prevaricating?
Care to borrow this whetstone? Your Occam's Razor could use it.
Care to borrow this whetstone? Your Occam's Razor could use it.
Sir Galahad
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Most "hero-bashing" is rooted in jealousy. People who wish they were the center of attention (either as the rescuer or rescuee) have to it there and claim it was BS, it was faked, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, at least once a day, I see firefighters stage an auto accident so people can drive by and think the firefighters are heroes for pulling that little old lady out of her totaled Cadillac.
This all stems from liberal interpretations of history where "Eurocentric" heroes are vilified to make room for the new PC multicultural heroes. "Thomas Jefferson owned slaves!" (Yeah, so did lots of people. Maybe even YOUR ancestors. By the way, so did many Cherokees who fought FOR the Confederacy.) "Davy Crockett died in bed!" (So you know that for a fact? Were you there?) "Andrew Jackson practiced genocide!" (Yeah, and Abe Lincoln hanged 300 Sioux, too. Oops...) "Jim Bowie killed people!" (No!!! He invented the BOWIE knife to slice tofu.) "Wyatt Earp was a pimp!" (No, his older brother was the pimp.) But bring up some of JFKs litle pecadillos and watch them accuse you of not letting his dignity rest in peace. Hmmmm.....the one man who came closest to flash-frying the entire world and basically started the Vietnam War and it's Ron Reagan that gets accused to trying to flash-fry the world and called the warmonger.
This all stems from liberal interpretations of history where "Eurocentric" heroes are vilified to make room for the new PC multicultural heroes. "Thomas Jefferson owned slaves!" (Yeah, so did lots of people. Maybe even YOUR ancestors. By the way, so did many Cherokees who fought FOR the Confederacy.) "Davy Crockett died in bed!" (So you know that for a fact? Were you there?) "Andrew Jackson practiced genocide!" (Yeah, and Abe Lincoln hanged 300 Sioux, too. Oops...) "Jim Bowie killed people!" (No!!! He invented the BOWIE knife to slice tofu.) "Wyatt Earp was a pimp!" (No, his older brother was the pimp.) But bring up some of JFKs litle pecadillos and watch them accuse you of not letting his dignity rest in peace. Hmmmm.....the one man who came closest to flash-frying the entire world and basically started the Vietnam War and it's Ron Reagan that gets accused to trying to flash-fry the world and called the warmonger.
Ryder
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The amnesia story was verbally retracted by CNN about two weeks ago. Odd how retractions aren't the kind of news that gets repeated every twenty minutes for a whole day the way the original story was.
jmbg29
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Byron Quick
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Well guys, I've suffered 3 concussions from being struck in the head. (Tip: when you're fighting one guy in front of you, you might want to watch your six) I had various forms of amnesia with all of them. In the only one that occurred from an accident, I can remember the accident but forgot who I was and all my family and friends for two days. In the other two, I can not remember the injury, two or three hours prior, and several hours after the injury.
In one case, the authorities thought it was peculiarly convenient.
Unfortunately for the authorities' theory, the doctors said,"No, actually it is the norm with head injuries."
In other words, what is peculiar is someone suffering a head injury who does NOT display some manifestations of amnesia.
In one case, the authorities thought it was peculiarly convenient.
Unfortunately for the authorities' theory, the doctors said,"No, actually it is the norm with head injuries."
In other words, what is peculiar is someone suffering a head injury who does NOT display some manifestations of amnesia.
rock jock
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I think a lot of the suspicion about the entire Pvt. Lynch story comes from the inconsistent news stories we hear:
"She was kept under close guard", then later we hear that the doctors in fact sent her back to our troops who fired at her ambulance
"She fought bravely till the end, killing several Iraqis", then we hear that every soldier's M16 jammed early in the fight
"She was shot and stabbed", then we hear conflicting stories as to the true extent of her injuries
Personally, I don't blame any of the confusion on Pvt. Lnych herself because at this point, we have not heard her side of the story. However, the military commanders and PR folks did ot question any of the the more outlandish parts of this story, even after there was good reason to do so. It seemed that they were more than content to ride this story for all it was worth.
BTW, I strongly supported the action in Iraq and still do, but I hate when our military allows a lie to continue through omission of the facts.
"She was kept under close guard", then later we hear that the doctors in fact sent her back to our troops who fired at her ambulance
"She fought bravely till the end, killing several Iraqis", then we hear that every soldier's M16 jammed early in the fight
"She was shot and stabbed", then we hear conflicting stories as to the true extent of her injuries
Personally, I don't blame any of the confusion on Pvt. Lnych herself because at this point, we have not heard her side of the story. However, the military commanders and PR folks did ot question any of the the more outlandish parts of this story, even after there was good reason to do so. It seemed that they were more than content to ride this story for all it was worth.
BTW, I strongly supported the action in Iraq and still do, but I hate when our military allows a lie to continue through omission of the facts.
I agree.
My suspicion of the story from the beginning wasn't an attempt to discredit Pvt. Lynch, her rescuers, or American foreign policy.
The story was just a little too dramatic. As was mentioned earlier, it was too much of a made for TV event.
At one point we heard that they fought to the last round of ammo.
Another point we were told that the caputure was the result of weapons malfunctions.
I know this isn't going to sit well with many, but political correctness had a lot to do with my questions.
My suspicion of the story from the beginning wasn't an attempt to discredit Pvt. Lynch, her rescuers, or American foreign policy.
The story was just a little too dramatic. As was mentioned earlier, it was too much of a made for TV event.
At one point we heard that they fought to the last round of ammo.
Another point we were told that the caputure was the result of weapons malfunctions.
I know this isn't going to sit well with many, but political correctness had a lot to do with my questions.
Hmmm.
Please forgive me,
Perhaps I'm just out of the loop or maybe it's the sources I typically garner my information from, but when was Jessica shot and stabbed? This is new to me. And when did they storm the hospital with gun fire to rescue Jessica? The sources I've kept up with said she seemed to be in fair condition but had some broken bones from the crash and that some contusions on her face had not been determined to be from the crash or abuse from captors. I also read that they went into the hospital on a tip and met little or no resitance at the hospital and were even shown to Jessicas room by one of the doctors. I also read that they removed Jessica from the hospital because the area where the hospital was located was not completely secure and they were worried Iraqi military might return.
But I never heard she'd been shot or stabbed. And here I thought I was keeping up with this stuff pretty well. Oh well, at least we can all agree that she was captured by the enemy and she was rescued from them and returned to her country of origin.
DRC
Please forgive me,
Perhaps I'm just out of the loop or maybe it's the sources I typically garner my information from, but when was Jessica shot and stabbed? This is new to me. And when did they storm the hospital with gun fire to rescue Jessica? The sources I've kept up with said she seemed to be in fair condition but had some broken bones from the crash and that some contusions on her face had not been determined to be from the crash or abuse from captors. I also read that they went into the hospital on a tip and met little or no resitance at the hospital and were even shown to Jessicas room by one of the doctors. I also read that they removed Jessica from the hospital because the area where the hospital was located was not completely secure and they were worried Iraqi military might return.
But I never heard she'd been shot or stabbed. And here I thought I was keeping up with this stuff pretty well. Oh well, at least we can all agree that she was captured by the enemy and she was rescued from them and returned to her country of origin.
DRC
jmbg29
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So far, I haven't seen a single member of the military(other than a few Army doctors speaking about her injuries) speak to the issues surrounding Pvt. Lynch's capture/firefight/lack thereof/etc...
I have seen reports that talked about "sources" that remain unnamed to this day. Not to mention what's his name - the urinalist from the New York Slimes - who was fired for making up virtually all of his articles, not least of which, was the story about Pvt. Lynch's family home. His description of their home was totally wrong, not one word of it was true, not one.
So now tell me, what can the military do to put out the correct story, when the leftists in this country are so bold as to be willing to describe the home of Pvt. Lynch's as being on a hilltop surrounded by tobacco fields and livestock, when it is actually in a river bottom, surrounded by woods?
While we are at it, tell me another thing. I'm supposed to believe the Iraqi piece of
"doctor", right???????If he is a person that I am expected to believe; why then did he not treat Pvt. Lynch's wounds when she was in his care? Why is it that he said, on ABC television, that he was about to treat her the morning following the night of her rescue????????? Was the Iraqi POS "doctor" waiting for something in particular to happen for the week or so that she was in his hospital? Is it traditional for those
ers to wait a week or two before setting a broken bone? Somehow, I think not. And if the "doctor" is that much of a POS quack (in his chosen profession) then his opinion on firefights, and reasonable/unreasonable force to rescue an American soldier are of ZERO value to me.- Status