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Sawed off levergun

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Gabe, Nov 12, 2003.

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  1. Gabe

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    What do you think of this idea, is it legal, practical, shootable?

    The picture is a computer modified Winchester 94. 16" barrel, 10 shot 44 magnum, 24" overall length.
     

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    uncalled for attack removed
     
  3. Wildalaska

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    Cut about 6 inches off the front of that baby!

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  4. Badger Arms

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    Cyber gun porn. I love it. Here's my cybergunporn:

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    Here's another try. I think this one needs a bigger recoil pad!

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  6. natedog

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    This gun is immoral.
     

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  7. Thumper

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    Hey, Wildalaska...don't you have a better pic of that thing?
     
  8. OH25shooter

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    Didn't actor, Steve McQueen carry one of those in that 60's show "Wanted Dead or Alive?" Is it legal...you better check your local criminal code. Is it shootable...I'll bet it is. Is it partical...for what???
     
  9. DeputyVaughn

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    I believe it has to be 26" oal to be a legal rifle.

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  10. Johnny Guest

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    Addressing your original question, Gabe:

    1. Legal: No, not without jumping through the hoops to register it as a Short Barrel Firearm. National Firearms Act of 1934 (as modified) requires rifles to have 16-inch barrel and 26-inch overall length, unless you do the registration thing. Shotguns must have 18-inch barrel(s) but same 26-inch OAL.

    2. Practical: Depends on definition. This also relates to the third point, below. It is heavier, longer, and less convenient to carry than a long barrel .44, .454, or .480 revolver. For most users, the revolver is rather more practical, not to mention the fact that it is usually less expensive, considering cost of acquisition, tax stamps, and gunsmithing. On the other hand, with many loads, higher velocities are available from the 16-inch barrel. If dead-serious, massively POWERFUL bear protection were needed, such a firearm in .45-70 or .450 Marlin might be an option.

    3. Shootable: See 2, above. Unless you get into the "spinlever" action or other contortions, you need two hands to operate a lever gun on second and subsequent shots. Also, one is hard put to get any accuracy, shooting one-handed with such a nose-heavy firearm.

    All in all, the same general type arm, but a touch longer, is readily available, from both Marlin and Winchester. The standard length stock makes it MUCH easier to shoot well. I muse that one of these, with a tax-stamped ten or twelve inch barrel, would be very handy. You wouldn't really be giving up MUCH velocity, with the .44 Mag cartridge, as it was developed for revolver length barrels from the start. Again, for SERIOUS power, same SBR in .45-70 or .450 Marlin might approach optimum bear protection . . . .

    My two cents measure, and worth every penny! :D

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  11. Hatchett

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    It might be practical if used from a Harley.

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  12. Wildalaska

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    Nope my photo skills are pathetic

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  13. Archie

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    I'll pitch in with Johhny for most of this.

    Operating a short lever gun is difficult, as one normally uses the stock to lever against, so to speak.
    Try this without cutting anything off: Hold any levergun by the forearm only, without the buttstock touching your body or anything else, and operate the lever, extracting a fired casing. It is clumsy.

    The late Steve McQueen, as Josh Randall in "Wanted: Dead or Alive" carried a 1892 Winchester in .44-40 as a sidearm. It was cool, but frankly a Colt SAA is easier to operate.

    Others may disagree, but in my experience, what makes a long gun "long" is the distance from between your hands on the gun to the muzzle. From between your hands to the butt is really not a problem. However, to keep from being an NFA "any other weapon", the minimum length is as Johnny said, 16" for rifles, 18" for shotguns, 26" over all.

    Not that I don't think a 12" 44 Magnum Marlin levergun wouldn't be handy, but it's too much legal bother for me.
     
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    Might be workable if you could either buy a unassembled reciever or have the factory make the gun you want without building a rifle.
    You have to register an SBR or AOW.
    I am not sure if it would even be affected by the AW ban because it isn't semi auto and it doesn't have a detachable mag.
    If that is what you want, I would bet that there is a legal way to do it.
     
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