Sawed offs are da bomb (or "2LTs with too much time and money on their hands)

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Shot it only once. Used 3" Magnum Duck loads with 4 shot. Kicked kinda hard and drove the barrel break lever into the web of my hand about an inch and a half. Had to go for a couple of stitches to close up the wound.
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IIRC one of the colinbine shooters had a sawed of stevens SxS but didn't fire it much instead used a 9mm. I wonder if it was too much for him, thats a lot of power in a small package.

I think 3"mag would be my last choice of cartridge,maybe a 2-3/4" 1-1/2 oz of 4s (babymag) would be the way to go ;)
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I like that O/U!
I can't believe you cut down a $140 gun though! Couldn't you find an ugly pawn shop gun for under $100?

Enjoy your shotties. It IS more fun to build it than buy it.

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Looks like the length is pretty close to right. I have a 6 shot Ranger pump 12ga that I sawed off about 40 or so years ago, I don;t recall the total lenth requirement at the time but the barrel lenght was 18 in minimum. I cut it 18 1/8 inchs and made the over all length 1/2 inch over max allowable.
 
All potential legal issues aside, I have to ask.....WHY?
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I don't understand this idea. :scrutiny: Why....Why not. I mean for god sake. There are people who own shotguns that cost more than my car...Why.
If you've never done something for the hell of it chances are you've never done anything at all.
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If you've never done something for the hell of it chances are you've never done anything at all.
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LMAO! I'm gonna go saw some of my guns in half now. Then I'll post it online in a forum where feds and locals are known to peruse the forum boards. That way I can tell da man in black robe, gavel in hand, "Hell ... I've done something".

Doing something is not nearly as important as doing the things that are worthwhile.
 
There are times and places where 'as short as possible' shotguns are truly handy to have. Sometimes nothing else will fit either the space available or the budget available.

And sometimes, 'guys just want to have fun,' to coin a phrase. These weren't priceless collector pieces, or heirlooms- just inexpensive (relatively speaking) shotguns of a fairly pedestrian mein. As long as the legal strictures are scrupulously observed in all jurisdictions concerned there is IMHO no problem with doing what los tenientes did to their shotguns. I was glad to see an unusual amount of muzzle discipline and trigger finger discipline for internet photos on display in that picture, too- mascara or no.

I plead guilty to doing some shotgun amputations several times over in decades gone by with various guns, though my preference is to leave stocks mostly whole. There was an Ithaca 37 12 ga. ($79) that had a badly bent barrel which abbreviated nicely at 18.5", and an old 12 ga. Remington Model 11 ($50) that I reassembled from its 'cigar box' state and cut off at 20" because it had a serious dent in its barrel. I cut down a pawn shop 20 ga. Sears-marked Stevens 311 ($100) side by side to 18.5" and cut the stock to a 12" LOP, my mom used that for a house gun for decades until her advancing years made even a 20 ga. too much for her to handle and we replaced it with a 9mm carbine.

I have cut down any number of inexpensive used single shots for various people who needed a gun that didn't cost a fortune and would fit in tight places more easily. I did cut the stock way down on one I set up for the storekeeper who ran the little country store in one community where I used to live, he wanted something short enough to shoot from its place under the counter without ever raising the gun into sight. It would have ruined the day of anyone standing on the other side of the counter, and offered more authority than the S&W Model 36 that resided in his pocket. Nothing makes up into a more compact package than a break-open shotgun that is shortened to just over the legal minimums. They do have their places and their uses in legitimate and law abiding hands, after all.

lpl/nc (fastest tubing cutter in the east)
 
I too have been bitten by the SBS bug.

Here is a story I've posted a while back on some of the other forums, it might be amusing for some.


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Ok, I'll confess.

Two weeks ago at my local gun haunt I saw a NEF single shot 12 ga that had the barrel cut back to 18 1/2".

"Hmmmm" thinks I "What a nice handy little package. Would make a nice all around truck and walk about gun for those jaunts with dogs in the woods"

So I pony up the $45.00 (should have realized something at that point) , do the paper work and take her to Casa del Striker. Dig out an old butt cuff, stick some sling swivels on her and voila! walk about gun par excellence (again, should have realized something at this point).

Fast forward to last week sometime, walking around in the woods, Jack Russell and Rat Terrior having a grand time, when it comes upon me to test the little beasty out. (butt cuff stocked with 1 AA factory #8 skeet load, 2 wally world generic WW "target loads", 1 Federal tactical buck load, and one ancient Remington slug.

So I loads up the skeet load, and lets fly, brisk! Then "tgt" loads.....brisker!!
(should have really realized something at this point). I then let fly with the tactical buck load....ouch!! Then finally that old Remington slug. Euraka! I realize something!! This is not fun, this hurts, this is dumb!!!

I glance over at JoJo puppy dog and Dixie Dancer, who having taken a break from terrorizing the squirrels to watch the goings on, and both give me the "Well, we coulda' told you that, had you bother to ask us" look.

Moral of the story? I don't know, but thought I would share!

PS: Have subsequently discovered that the Agulia, shorty 12 guage shells are perfect and you can fit ten in the butt cuff, so this now is the designated round for this piece.
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The resembelences concern me more than the guns:

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Now that the smoke has cleared and sunlight has returned to the forest floor....

A coupla things....

First, it's established that these are legal.

Second, the Lt mentioned in his opening post that these were not intended for life and death situations or as do-all firearms.

They were his guns, his time, his money and his hacksaw.

As for the utility of these large, ungainly, awkward handguns that used to be shotguns, IMO, there's little. But, that wasn't the aim of the project.

I think Lt Raggio did a commendable job. I do hope carpal tunnel is not in his destiny.....
 
Chill The F Out!

You complainers all need help!! Do you have nothing better to do than to rag on individuals...oh, right...did I say individuals...Yeah, people different than yourself that is what makes them individuals. If I want to chop the top on my 34 Ford 3 window coupe I am going to do it. If I want ape hangers on my HD scoot I am going to do it. I don't give a damn whether you approve or not. I don't give a damn if the law says I can't have apes above my eyes or not. It is mine and it is not hurting anyone so I will do it. Though personally I think it looks stupid but everyone has their own opinions, just like we all have ???????s but not everyone wants to hear from it. These guys are complying with the law....should be good enough.

Laws....are they not wonderful? Iwould assume most of us on this forum are law abiding concealed carry background cleared individuals but yet we have to pay $$$$$ to protect ourselves through concealed carry classes and lisc because of these fine laws. Yet criminals get to do whatever the hell they want. Don't get me wrong we need laws but you complainers and safe warning issuers need to get a life and stay off the Pabst Blue Ribbon beer it is messing with your minds.

I am a new member and many people on here have offered me very, very helpful info. I have been enjoying this site very much until now. This is the most asinine thing I have ever seen. If you want to get involved in something important why don't you have each state take down the seat belt law enforcement signs since all 50 states have seat belt laws and have them replace the signs with no concealed weapons allowed in this state so you can promptly unload you pistola and put the gun and ammo out of reach. Sorry for the soapbox and I pray none of those big wig "law enforcement" individuals don't happen to see my post and consider me a threat. God help me!!!!
 
You complainers all need help!! Do you have nothing better to do than to rag on individuals...oh, right...did I say individuals...Yeah, people different than yourself that is what makes them individuals. If I want to chop the top on my 34 Ford 3 window coupe I am going to do it. If I want ape hangers on my HD scoot I am going to do it. I don't give a damn whether you approve or not. I don't give a damn if the law says I can't have apes above my eyes or not. It is mine and it is not hurting anyone so I will do it. Though personally I think it looks stupid but everyone has their own opinions, just like we all have ???????s but not everyone wants to hear from it. These guys are complying with the law....should be good enough.
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Wow! No disrespect intended, but your words are a lot like how that dude that talks during the end of every South Park crisis episode (the kid) who barks out his piece to the masses (don't know his name and don't care). Anyways ... keep on with the South Park bit, and guaranteed I'll keep a true eye for more of this. ;)
 
What is the wieght like on the o/u compared to the auto?
I keep a 18" full stocked 870 between my bed and the wall, which is opposite of the bedroom door. I can get it into action without even having to get out of bed, but it is a little akward. It seems like a sxs or o/u in this configuration would probably be ideal for this role. As long as I had one of my other shotguns near by in case I needed more than two shots. My friend has an old sxs that was cut down to 18" and I had a blast shooting it. Just for kicks we were shooting both barrels at once, not from the shoulder, but tucked under the arm with the pistol grip snugged up against the body. Like in the pic below.

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It would seem like that would be the best way to fire a shotgun like the ones you have. I couldn't imagine firing a single barrel from a pistol grip only shotgun to be much worse.
 
first off, I don't think that lenght requirement law should exist, so I am not going to get exited by someone putting their toe right next to it.

However, I will say that appearances can be important, and while in the end you will probably walk away scott free, getting pulled over with one of these with today's 'never held a gun before training' police, you might well find your trip to the range replaced with a trip to the police station. Got to factor this in to what you do.

Of course appearances can be in your benifit as well. I've seen many people assume that a 'coach gun' with full stock and 18+ inch barrels was a 'sawn off' and hence would have a lot more power. You might be able to turn a tidy, if risky, profit selling very short shotguns to morons. If the gungrabbers come, give them this and hide your FN-FAL, they will go away happy, then you got more time to pack your bug out bag.

Honestly, looks cool, and that is good enough reason in my book, but I personally would never do it because the potential risk of knee jerk reaction by law enforcement ruining a day or two is too high for my liking
 
nice work

I think you inspired me to go create my own crime against humanity. I'm now on the lookout for an el cheapo 12ga.
 
Nice job! personally, i'd get rid of the "humps" on the back of the handles - unless it makes it easier to handle?? stain and finish the cut part of the wood so it looks finished - perhaps round the corners better? get come gun blue for the cut metal areas.(barrel)

I like it! the O/U looks hella fun, good truck gun, or perhaps a pump would be better for that - reliable, and more rounds...

~tmm
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I think the tail of the stock greatly helps the o/u to pass the OAL requirement, so there may not be much in the way of rounding options there.

I swear, when the zombies/gas starved masses start to run the streets some of you guys are gonna die clutching your precious and unmarred bird guns, while guys like these follow in the honorable footsteps of Mad Max and turn their guns into things that will work in the cab of a semi.

Seriously though, these are just objects, who cares what happens to them. The sum-total value of any possession is measured by how much fun you have managed to have with it before you die.
 
I swear, when the zombies/gas starved masses start to run the streets some of you guys are gonna die clutching your precious and unmarred bird guns, while guys like these follow in the honorable footsteps of Mad Max and turn their guns into things that will work in the cab of a semi.
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well that's what we're all waiting for isn't.What makes you think they'll stay birdguns.When and if the time comes, certain modifications will be made. then we'll not worry about tape measures or dowels or G-men cause they'll be doing the same trying to survive.For now forget the macho -tac crap take you uncircumsized shotgun and break some clays or better yet kill a pheasant or a deer.
 
I've been watching this thread with more than a little amusment, and abit of sadness. The shotgun forum is the only part of THR I still frequent because of all of the attacks in the other areas of THR. And now I see it's crept into here.:(
I've cut off my share of SG's, all of them cheap, most for the fun of playing with a firebreathing pistol. Some I've sawed off for reasons, the 311 that sits by my bed, the old Western Feild 16g that I carried in the rabbit briars. That O/U has me concidering buying my first O/U.
 
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