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Sawing off a shot gun?

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by hcker2000, Jul 4, 2005.

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  1. hcker2000

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    Basicly I was wondering what the rules are regarding sawing off a shot gun? Also can any one recomend a decent shot gun that wouldn't be hard to saw off if its not illegal?

    Dosn't have to be any specific kind just some thing cheap :)
     
  2. steveno

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    the barrel must be at least 18 inches long and the OAL has to be at least 26 inches(it might be 29 inches) long.
     
  3. Cavalry

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    DONT DO IT, Its not very safe in the first place, keep it above 18 if you do
     
  4. Chipperman

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    Make it at least 18 1/4" lest your wife and children be shot at.

    Your ruler may not quite match the one the Feds have.
     
  5. joab

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    Take it to a smith most will do a double for under $50 includung silver soldering the gap left between the barrels.

    Single barrels are much cheaper and will include deburring and/or recrowning the barrel.

    But,
    In my younger years I hack sawed one off with no real ill effect to the gun or myself.

    I have one noe that I bought already chopped and it took many hours with a stone to even things up.

    If you do it be sure to allow for mistake correction on your length
     
  6. joab

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    Best shotgun to hack off would be a pawn shop single that you buy for under $75 and preferably $50 bucks any brand will do.

    You can buy a used 18 incher for less that $150 if you look a little

    I have a barely if ever shot Winchester 1300 that I paid $139 for
     
  7. Shootcraps

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    Why not get a coach gun? I have a nice double barrel with factory 18" tubes that I got at a pawn shop for $175. I've seen the new Russian ones for $199. Very handy length.
     
  8. Brian Williams

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    HOW TO DO IT>
    It must be at least 18" long and overall length must be over 26". The way to do it is to take a dowel and mark a length of 18.5" from one end and insert that end in the barrel until it touches the bolt, the action should be closed and empty. Mark the end of the barrel then withdraw the dowel. Line up the end of the barrel mark with the end of the barrel and mark the barrel at the 18.5. If the barrel does not have a vent rib use a heavy duty pipe cutter to mark the barrel and cut with a hacksaw. Finish it of with a small file and sandpaper.

    RECOMMENDATION>
    trade it for what you want.
     
  9. wdlsguy

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    If you want to go shorter than 18", you will need to comply with the federal National Firearms Act (http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#m). This assumes your state allows possession of short-barreled shotguns in the first place.
     
  10. Shweboner

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    I got a NEF Pardner 12Ga. for under $100 and chopped the BBL to 18.5"

    I could have gotten away with shortening the stock as well, but I like a full stock.

    ***if you plan on cutting the stock... fire it w/ full stock 1st... it may change your mind :what: ***

    What I used was a pipe cuter. It worked pretty well.

    Remove the bbl 1st, put it in the vise, and cut!
    next I cleaned and deburred the bbl, and sprayed it with a bake-on enamel finish and cooked it for a couple hours. and its pretty nice.

    If you ever wanted to change it back you can just order another bbl from the factory and swap 'em out.
    I reccomend that you buy the NEF in a RIFLE caliber of your choice and order the shotgun bbl. that way you will have 2 guns for under $200... a nice rifle for hunting and a sawed-off!
     

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    I Suppose you either want to save money and dont want to buy a new shotgun thats 18"

    Or your trying to make your shotgun evin shorter, to be more consealable.


    I would just buy a Mossberg 500 Special Purpose Cruiser model

    18" barrel, Pistol Grip , 8 Shot. For about 350 out the door.
     
  12. Shweboner

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    I just took mine out today. Still well worth the effort.

    You can find those NEF shotguns on Gunbroker, for less than $50 sometimes.

    Its worth a look. Its cheaper and its just a fun project to take on. Not to mention, if you screw it up, you haven't ruined one of your other guns.
     
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    I cut mine down to 18.5" and soldered on Mossberg ghost ring sights.

    It's a mossberg 500a.
    First I pulled the vent rib off, grinded off the spots where the rib was attached, and finished with Krylon Fusion.
    I'm gonna refinish the whole gun in digital camo later.
    I marked it and cut it with a hacksaw, then put it on a wood turning lathe and used a dremel in a fixture with the lathe turning very slow to finish the cut end.
    Came out nice and square.

    Here's a pic. The server doesn't allow hotlinking, so copy and paste the link into your address bar.
    http://www.thewolfweb.com/photos/00414776.jpg
     
  14. hcker2000

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    Ok I was thinking more like 12 to 20 inches total length. I live in ohio and am not sure if they allow them or not.

    So basicly at 26 (or 29?) the gun is legal in any state? And If I want to go under that I'm going to need to fallow some rules and make sure my state allows less than 26 (or 29?) OAL correct?

    Basicly thought of the double barrel because it can be very short (if law allows) and of corse it would be like the one in mad max :)

    I will check into the cheap guns you were all talking about though.

    Is there any issue with firing slugs from a sawed off?

    EDIT:

    Fumbler: your gun looks nice but what if I wanted a pistol grip on the thing?
     
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    Want to reemphasize that cutting a shotgun off too short is a FEDERAL offense unless you line the paperwork up first. A .gov offense that has led to people dying.

    Save yourself time, trouble and money and just buy a used factory model, double, single or pump with an 18.5" bbl. They are under $200 used in most places.

    Leave the Mad Max fantasies on the screen.
     
  16. hcker2000

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    So there is paper work for it?

    Now I know the rules say you can make your own guns if not for sale. So do guns you make have to fallow the OAL rules? The 18 inches wouldnt be bad if I could use just a grip with it insted of a stalk. With out the stock the barrel has to be 22 inches or so it says online. I supose that is better than 18 + the stock.

    As far as the silver soldering and stuff gose that would be no issue as I have all the stuff to do this as well as deburing.
     
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    You've got gunsmith tools but you are unfamiliar with National Firearms Act rules?

    There are many on here who can probably quote the regs and required steps chapter and verse; but I'd recommend actually going to the BATFE website and looking them up yourself to avoid any misconceptions.
     
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    Well silver soldering is used for alot more than gun smithing and that gose for de-buring tools.

    Are dubble guns more expensive than a single semi-auto? I think the way to go is with a 22 inch barel or what ever is required with a pistol grip on the back.
     
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    Where do you peolpe find coach guns for under $800?
     
  20. Rupestris

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    Both Stoeger and Baikal offer coach guns for just over $300. Baikal has exposed hammers.
    Do a search on gunbroker.com for "coach gun" and you'll find them there.
     
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    Here is the Ohio definition:

    "(F) "Sawed-off firearm" means a shotgun with a barrel less than eighteen inches long, or a rifle with a barrel less than sixteen inches long, or a shotgun or rifle less than twenty-six inches long overall."

    Here is the Federal definition:

    "(6) The term ''short-barreled shotgun'' means a shotgun having one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length and any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification or otherwise) if such a weapon as modified has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches."

    I am aware of at least one jurisdiction (Washington, DC) which considers a shotgun with a barrel less than 20 inches in length a "sawed-off shotgun", but you don't want to bring firearms to Washington, DC anyway.
     
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    +1. Here's the link again: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/index.htm
     
  23. hcker2000

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    Ok so 26 1/2 inches it is. So who can recommend a cheap shot gun I can stick a pistol grip on and saw down to 26 1/2 OAL?
     
  24. albanian

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    I have cut down two pump shotguns to 18 1/2". There is a good reason to do it. Old beater pumps can be had for about $60-125 in my area. Mostly Mossberg 500 varients and old Rem 870s. I have bought several pumps for under $100 that had messed up stocks and long bbls that were only good for goose hunting or something. I remember getting a Moss 500a for about $75 with a messed up wood stock and a 30" bbl. I didn't chop it down traded the bbl to a local gunshop for a 18" rifle sighted smooth bore. Then I bought a black plastic stock for it and had a nice pump for about $150.

    If it is a pump, consider trading the bbl to a gunshop before you cut it down. it is a lot of work to get it perfect unless you have some special tools and then you still have to mount a sight. Most gunshops seem happy to trade long bbls for shorter ones. You may have to give a few bucks to ge them to do it but it will be worth it in the long run. If you just want to cut a bbl down for the fun of it, then go ahead. There really is no danger, shotguns don't build up much pressure so the risk of having a Ka-Boom is not much. As long as you cut it even and de-burr it, it should be safe. You will probably reduce the pressure because you are going to be cutting off the choke.
     
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    I don't know what your definition of cheap is, but if you're buying a new gun then look for a Mossberg 500 Cruiser.
    It comes with an 18.5" barrel and a pistol grip.
    Most places you'd find it for the same price as a regular model 500, which should be $200-250. Overall length with the pistol grip is 26.5".

    Albanian has good suggestions on buying an old beater pump gun.
     
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