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SB 59 clears MI Senate Judiciary Committee....

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  1. ezkl2230

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    The committee voted 5 to 1 to send the legislation, which will provide for concealed carry in pistol free zones (among other things), to the full Senate for a vote.

    The committee voted 5 to 1 to approve the bill, which will now go to the full senate for a vote. I have been in regular contact with the office of Sen. Green, the author of the bill, and other legislators as well regarding this and other relevant legislation. Now that it has passed the committee, each of us needs to take the time to contact our Michigan State Senators to encourage them to vote for this bill. It is believed that we have the votes to pass it, but now is not the time to assume too much. Take a moment and let your Senator know that you expect them to support this legislation.

    Gun on his hip, state Sen. Arlan Meekhof demonstrates his support for allowing concealed handguns in schools and other public places | MLive.com
     
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    What type of class are they requiring for the extra 9 hours? Kind of ridiculous, but a small price to pay, I guess.
     
  3. ezkl2230

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    They haven't said yet. Actually, I have been in regular communication with Sen. Green's office about this matter, and sent him the following letter:

     
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    Another curiosity I have is if will be just like getting a new CPL. By which I mean take the class, send paperwork in (along with whatever ridiculous fee they're going to charge), meet with the gun board again, etc. All just so they can mark an "X" where it says "Exempt from pistol free zones".
    As I wrote that out it sounded absolutely stupid. My original CPL costs and time were absurd as it is.
     
  5. 2WheelsGood

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    You should actually read the article posted above. Especially the part about eliminating the gun boards.
     
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    Wow. Major brain fart. I saw it, and just thought it was an underlined sentence.

    I guess my question is still this: if I'm a current CPL holder, and decide to take the 9 extra hours of class, will I have to go through the whole CPL process to have that X marked?

    Does anyone have a link to the bill? I'm guessing that'll have the answers to my questions.
     
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    Here is a link to the actual bill, as well as applicable summaries:

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(3k...g.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=2011-SB-0059

    As I said, I have been frequent (OK, so I said, "regular" the first time - that was an understatement) communication with Sen. Green's office. I sent his office the following letter essentially asking the same question:

    This is the response I received:

    It would appear from this response that, if you already possess a CPL, you will not be required at this time to take the additional 9 hours and fire the additional rounds prior to obtaining an updated license; these remarks would seem to indicate that this requirement will only apply to NEW CPL applicants. But I have contacted Sen. Green's office to clarify that question. I am also continuing to push legislators to consider the ramifications of the recent federal court ruling declaring Maryland's CCW law unconstitutional. There is still a chance that this could all be rendered moot.
     
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    Thanks for posting this. Email sent to my senator. :)
     
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    His response makes me feel a lot better, haha. Thanks!
     
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    Maryland...am I missing something here?
     
  11. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    I like this a lot...but c'mon SBR/SBS!! That's the last step. MI has made a ton of progress though. Machine guns, shall issue, supressors, and now maybe getting rid of school/theater/bar/etc bans. All great steps. And honestly this one will have the most impact on everyday life for gun owners.

    But I really want a 7.5" AR...
     
  12. 2WheelsGood

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    Though it won't change your life much in Ann Arbor. Even if the law is changed, it won't affect U-M property, which is half of Ann Arbor.
     
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    Actually, it will. There are exemptions built into the federal gun free school zones act that allow for carry on school properties for CPL holders whose home states require background checks as a condition of being licensed. We just went through this in Michigan, and it was determined that a CPL holder cannot be prohibited from carrying on school property.
     
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    "In addition to self-defense, the (Second Amendment) right was also understood to allow for militia membership and hunting. To secure these rights, the Second Amendment's protections must extend beyond the home: neither hunting nor militia training is a household activity, and 'self-defense has to take place wherever (a) person happens to be,' [Judge] Legg wrote...'A citizen may not be required to offer a 'good and substantial reason' why he should be permitted to exercise his rights,' Legg wrote. 'The right's existence is all the reason he needs.'"

    http://www.guns.com/federal-judge-maryland-concealed-carry-unconstitutional-why-it-matters.html
     
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    Followup regarding the class required to apply for an exemption from carry free zones in Michigan if SB 59 is finally passed:

    Since many legislators are dragging their feet, I am looking into beginning an initiative to get the complete elimination of CPL and carry free zones onto a ballot. Greater access to CPLs was achieved this way in Michigan in 2001; THAT passed by a 3 to 1 margin. I believe we can accomplish the complete elimination of the CPL AND carry free zones this way as well.
     
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    Nope. Study up on U-M and MSU. They make their own laws.
     
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    I'll have to check with the senator's office and see where they stand on this.
     
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    Wayne State too.
     
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    My state has a version of this called the "Enhanced permit" which allows carry in a few previously forbidden places like bars, banks and court houses and it also extends reciprocity to a number of other states that require training. A buddy recently took the allday 8 hour course (he is a former IDPA state champ) and he learned a lot of really important things that he did not know like the difference between a semi-auto and a revolver.
     
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    Yeah -- covering these MI universities will require a separate bill.
     
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    Which absolutely should happen. These are public schools paid for by public funds. They shouldn't be able to make their own laws.
     
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    Agreed. Unfortunately, the Michigan Constitution gives them special status. Other states have passed the necessary legislation to allow carry on university campuses, so Michigan should be able to accomplish this as well.
     
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    Anyone know exactly why the MI constitution gives 3 schools the ability to make their own laws? That seems like an odd thing to put in an actual constitution. I can see a bill or a special law passed by the legislature that might do that, but a constitution is a foundation document for the entire government. Special laws for three particular colleges seems pretty out of place.
     
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    From handgunlaw.us: "MSU, UM and WSU have special status in the MI Constitution and elect their Board of Regents. Since they
    are elected the state preemption law does not apply to Michigan State University, University of Michigan
    and Wayne State University. They can pass Ordinances that ban the carry of firearms anywhere on their
    campus."
     
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    For which U of M and Wayne State do. MSU just has the classroom and dorm room PFZ like other colleges and universities in Michigan.
     
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