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SBR vs. AR Pistol

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by TheDomFather, Nov 22, 2019.

  1. TheDomFather

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    Folks,
    Quick question. i have a 300 blackout AR setup with a SB tactical pistol brace since I dont have a stamp for an SBR. I know you cannot put a vertical foregrip on this as this would classify it as an SBR but can I put a bipod on the front of it?
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    The high paid lawyers at Ruger obviously think so, they include a factory bipod with some of their 10/22 Charger pistols.

    Ruger%20Charger%20with%20Factory%20Bipod.jpg

    The common thought is that as long as the bipod cannot be used as a grip in one of its configurations, then it is ok as the ATF doesn’t have any regulations on the books that refer to a bipod in particular as it relates to pistol/SBR.

    So in other words don’t put one of these on and claim it’s a bipod.
    Grip%20pod.jpg

    This is all my interpretation of the law, I am not a legal counsel and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night. So take what I said for what it is, internet blabber.

    You can make your own judgement through reading the ATF website on the matter, emailing them or writing them a letter for clarification.
     
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  3. TheDomFather

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    Thank you!
     
  4. greyling22

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    Personally, I recommend you sell the brace for $70 or so and spend the $200 for the 2-3 week wait for an efile form 1. That way you can do whatever you want and are not up a creek when they ban braces like they did bump stocks. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think the brace is long for this world.
     
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  5. TheDomFather

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    That would really suck if they do. How difficult is the process for SBR? I just got my suporessor which silencer shop made easy from an application perspective and I only had to wait 4 months. which isnt as bad as I suspected. Do i need to get the lower engraved as well?
     
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    Yes you do. Ive never used the ss kiosk, but the ATF has a website that you go create an account and then enter in all your information manually. upload a passport photo that you took with passport photo app on your phone upload your trust information if you have that and they give you a piece of paper to print out and mail in with a copy of your fingerprints. My Sheriff's Department would give me two copies of my fingerprints for free.
     
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    If, and I say if, braces are banned, then why not wait until that time, destroy the brace then, and SBR the pistol then. Or, if you don't want to go the SBR route, just put a foam cover on the buffer tube of the pistol?

    Why take steps now that could be taken later, if necessary?
     
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    Because the brace has value now. If they ban them it has no value. Also, who knows how long the registry will be open. I dont want to be all doom and gloom, but I do not have a lot of faith in my rights as a gun owner being protected these days.
     
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    It wouldn’t be an SBR, an SBR requires a stock. If you put a vertical foregrip on a pistol it becomes an NFA AOW (Any Other Weapon) if it has an overall length less than 26”. If you put a vertical foregrip on a pistol with an overall length greater than 26” it becomes a non-NFA generic “firearm’.
     
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    To muddy the water even further... as soon as you such a 26"+ "firearm" and actually conceal it, it becomes an AOW.

    Hooray bureaucracy.
     
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    But, what if one thinks, just like many actually do, that a brace has more value for its utility than it would have for resale? Life is full of cost/value decisions.
     
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    I would SBR that thing right now and sell the brace.
     
  13. taliv

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    i have SBR and pistols with brace. I prefer the pistols for two reasons:

    1. i don't need a permission slip to travel out of state, which i do constantly
    2. my state's carry permit laws apply to pistols, which means i can "carry" it, concealed if i want, unlike the SBR

    it would be pretty annoying if the atf changes the ruling on pistol braces
     
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    Like @taliv, much prefer braces, as they offer the most flexibility for their use. Until there is legislation on braces, I see no desire for an SBR, there are too many downsides.

    Braced firearms:
    1. If under 26" OAL can conceal with a CCL
    2. Traveling out of state to a state that allows braces, no notification of ATF needed
    3. Cheaper, $30-100 brace compared to $20-100 buttstock + $200 tax stamp
    4. Don't have to wait for a tax stamp
    5. No paperwork needed to keep in order, don't have to remember to have ATF documentation with me

    SBR'd firearms:
    1. No risk of legislation taking them away (ok there is a probability but not as probable as braces)
    2. Most options in regards to length of firearm, buttstock options
    3. No restrictions on accessories, mainly vertical fore grips, which I don't use anyways

    One thing that I should add, would be there is a good reason to have an SBR is if the registry ever gets closed, one will be mighty happy if they had spent that $200.
     
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  15. taliv

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    Have one of each
     
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    What state prohibits carrying a rifle concealed?
     
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    Tennessee has a "Handgun Carry Permit" which allows open or concealed carry of handguns, but not rifles.
    Otherwise, I believe Tennessee's weapons laws are based on intent. You can "carry" a rifle to the range or gun store or wherever you feel like, but you cannot "carry with the intent to go armed".

    I'm not an expert, but I assume several states are similar
     
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    In WA (where I previously lived) the carry permit only applies to handguns, you can’t carry a loaded rifle concealed, which includes in your vehicle. Here in PA, you also can’t carry loaded rifle on your person or in your vehicle, however you can carry an SBR.
     
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    Illinois, can't carry anything but a pistol unless its unloaded AND fully encased. It's so dumb
     
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    So how do you transport rifles in Illinois?
    Fully encased = concealed
     
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    I have a pistol.
    Easy.
    My favorite AR
     
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    there is a legal description between cased and concealed, unloaded being at least one part of it. Before we got a carry law handguns had to be encases as well, in some towns you could have an issue if the unloaded and encased handgun wasn't seperate from the ammo and in your trunk (not quickly accessed) although i think that is a local ordinance thing. Still that way without a permit. + a FOID (firearm owners ID) to be in possession of any gun. There is no legal way to travel with a loaded rifle or shotgun and NFA items are not allowed at all. C&R is ok as far as i've been told, AOW is technically legal i THINK but never knew anyone who owned one here.
    ...thinking about moving sooner than later.
     
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