SCAR-Heavy 7.62mm accuracy?
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nwilliams
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Well since the SCAR-H hasn't hit the civilian market yet I doubt you're going to find a lot of first hand experience from people here unless they have used the military version.
I have the SCAR-16s and it is an extremely accurate rifle so I would imagine that the SCAR-17s will be very accurate as well.
I have the SCAR-16s and it is an extremely accurate rifle so I would imagine that the SCAR-17s will be very accurate as well.
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http://www.defense-update.com/products/s/scar.htm
you gotta read down a few paragraphs, but they detail the kind of accuracy it's designed for
you gotta read down a few paragraphs, but they detail the kind of accuracy it's designed for
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Taz, no direct experience, but the guys at the FN plant (retired military types) really like the SCAR-H. One of my friends had the chance to shoot one and was impressed.
Big issue is going to be magazines. The mag well is too tight for a Pmag, so apparently it will be factory only. That can get pricey quick.
Big issue is going to be magazines. The mag well is too tight for a Pmag, so apparently it will be factory only. That can get pricey quick.
The SCAR 17S is already on the market for a while and there are few posts on other forums with some nice groups.
I saw this one on FN forum few days ago and i was
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I saw this one on FN forum few days ago and i was
: tailgunner said:Zamo,
I wouldn't worry about the barrel life/platform life either. FN seems to have surely done there homework on this one. Speaking of S. African ammo, shot a box weekend before last while working on other stuff. BIL ( 2nd pic) shot a nice 10 shot group @ 2 o'clock. Last 5 rounds I interceded with advice to hold the IOR dot just under the x-dot. Produced this 5 shot group 1.158 center to center, 200 yrds off the rest. Ammo was SA BO7/81 lot 018.
Here's another one from FN forum:
PS:I do not own one. I'm in Canada. US State Department is refusing to isue export permits for the SCAR and I don't know if I'll ever get to buy one.:banghead:
mk23 said:She's plenty accurate for a carbine.
Shot prone, off a bipod with a 3x9 Leupold at 100 yds with my loads. This was the best group of the of the 30 min I spent sighting her in. Most were just a tad bigger.
I am pretty sure I pulled that fifth one up on the top left too. Without it it would be a 4 shot .553 moa group.
Loads are for my SR25: 168gr Nosler CC HPBT with federal brass.
Given the 17S barrel twist, she might shoot even better with 175gr bullets.
PS:I do not own one. I'm in Canada. US State Department is refusing to isue export permits for the SCAR and I don't know if I'll ever get to buy one.:banghead:
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SpeedAKL
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Gunblast.com recently tested it with various ammo loads and generally found 0.6-0.8 MOA accuracy. This is very impressive for a autoloading rifle designed for combat conditions.
unwise11
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expect 1 inch.
Do you know how good YOU group at 100 yards? because I see sub minute and most people cannot shoot that without practice.
Do you know how good YOU group at 100 yards? because I see sub minute and most people cannot shoot that without practice.
FALs are not known for their precision. Have you considered the AR-10 platform? For the price of a SCAR-17S (~$3300) you could have an AR-10 SASS and have money for a really nice optic. The latter can deliver outstanding accuracy - right up there with many precision bolt guns. Who knows what the MSRP on the SCAR-17H is going to be, but probably several hundred more than the 'S' model.
unwise11
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for what you are asking a 6.8 spc or 300BLK in an AR platform would work. Carbine length, light, and an aimpoint, you gould get virtually ANY ar with a great optic for less than the EFN expensive scar.
Wow, people are already recommending 300 Blackout. That's some serious marketing considering how long this round has been out.
The OP specifically asked about the SCAR-17H. Yes, there are advertised 17S for $2500 but not in stock. The dealers that have the in stock are charging MSRP or more.
The OP specifically asked about the SCAR-17H. Yes, there are advertised 17S for $2500 but not in stock. The dealers that have the in stock are charging MSRP or more.
Assuming you've ruled out an AR-10 carbine, there are a variety of stocks available for the M1A and other clones. You should be able to get 2 MOA out of a properly bedded and set up Scout.
Sage, Vltor, CM Manufacturing, Troy. Of course most of these are actually telescoping.
Not arguing against the SCAR, but there are many options.
Sage, Vltor, CM Manufacturing, Troy. Of course most of these are actually telescoping.
Not arguing against the SCAR, but there are many options.
henschman
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While I'm not a big fan of the short-barreled 7.62s (you are cutting the balls off that round if you ask me), I realize that there are different strokes for different folks, and I thought I might give you some other ideas for rifles you may not have thought of.
For one, you might look at the M1A platform. Springfield Armory, Inc. makes a Scout Squad with an 18" barrel and a SOCOM with a 16" barrel. Prices are around $1400-1600 new if you shop around. Both of those models come with a forward "scout" rail that is perfect to slap an EOTech on. If you have to have a pistol grip stock, you can get an Vltor, Sage, or Troy stock for it, and it would still be cheaper than a SCAR, in a more tried and true platform - and would look just as cool, if you care. Typical accuracy is under 2 MOA. Springfield makes a pretty high quality product with a lifetime warranty, but if you want a higher-end M-14 type rifle, look at Fulton Armory, LRB Arms, or 7.62mm Firearms.
I would also take a second look at the .308 ARs. Yes, the heavy-barreled ones are, well, heavy -- but they make some 16" barreled ones with basically an M-4 profile barrel that is a lot lighter than your SASS. Rock River Arms and DPMS make the lower end ones, Armalite makes an OK one, and LaRue and LMT make higher end ones. Typical accuracy on all of the above would be 1 MOA or less.
Oh, and how could I forget the new Kel Tec RFB? It is a really innovative rifle. It is a bullpup 7.62 with an 18" barrel that is actually shorter overall than an M-4 carbine with the stock fully collapsed, and it actually doesn't weigh too much more, either. It has a flat-top rail that would be ideal for an EOTech. If you're looking for something that would handle well in close quarters, this would be by far the best of all the 7.62 rifles, because of the bullpup layout. Initial reports are pretty good... they are apparently a lot higher quality product than some of Kel Tec's other firearms like the SU-16 and the SUB-2000. They are fairly new and hard to find, but there are always several for sale on the online auction sites. $1800 would probably snag you one. They take FAL mags. Also, they have an adjustable gas regulator, which is cool if you plan on getting a suppressor or shooting some high-power loads out of it. Accuracy should be under 2 MOA.
If I wanted to buy one of the new "novelty" short barreled 7.62s, I would go with the RFB in a heartbeat over the SCAR. Less money for a cooler, more useful rifle. I will be all over one as soon as they come out with the 24" barreled "sporter" model.
For one, you might look at the M1A platform. Springfield Armory, Inc. makes a Scout Squad with an 18" barrel and a SOCOM with a 16" barrel. Prices are around $1400-1600 new if you shop around. Both of those models come with a forward "scout" rail that is perfect to slap an EOTech on. If you have to have a pistol grip stock, you can get an Vltor, Sage, or Troy stock for it, and it would still be cheaper than a SCAR, in a more tried and true platform - and would look just as cool, if you care. Typical accuracy is under 2 MOA. Springfield makes a pretty high quality product with a lifetime warranty, but if you want a higher-end M-14 type rifle, look at Fulton Armory, LRB Arms, or 7.62mm Firearms.
I would also take a second look at the .308 ARs. Yes, the heavy-barreled ones are, well, heavy -- but they make some 16" barreled ones with basically an M-4 profile barrel that is a lot lighter than your SASS. Rock River Arms and DPMS make the lower end ones, Armalite makes an OK one, and LaRue and LMT make higher end ones. Typical accuracy on all of the above would be 1 MOA or less.
Oh, and how could I forget the new Kel Tec RFB? It is a really innovative rifle. It is a bullpup 7.62 with an 18" barrel that is actually shorter overall than an M-4 carbine with the stock fully collapsed, and it actually doesn't weigh too much more, either. It has a flat-top rail that would be ideal for an EOTech. If you're looking for something that would handle well in close quarters, this would be by far the best of all the 7.62 rifles, because of the bullpup layout. Initial reports are pretty good... they are apparently a lot higher quality product than some of Kel Tec's other firearms like the SU-16 and the SUB-2000. They are fairly new and hard to find, but there are always several for sale on the online auction sites. $1800 would probably snag you one. They take FAL mags. Also, they have an adjustable gas regulator, which is cool if you plan on getting a suppressor or shooting some high-power loads out of it. Accuracy should be under 2 MOA.
If I wanted to buy one of the new "novelty" short barreled 7.62s, I would go with the RFB in a heartbeat over the SCAR. Less money for a cooler, more useful rifle. I will be all over one as soon as they come out with the 24" barreled "sporter" model.
I had been looking at the Kel Tec RFBs but like you mentioned I was concerned about KT quality, I have a 1975 AK and used to have a bushmaster m-17 found the reliability of the bullpup trigger sluggish & drawn out and traded it. I love the idea of having a 308 bullpup quality provided, I will probably take a closer look and review response to rfbs trigger pull/reliability.
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Is funny, so many people tell O.P. to get an M1A or an Ar10, while the question was not "what .308 rifle" , but "accuracy of the SCAR17S".
You can't find anything out there in .308 to matches the package the Heavy SCAR offers.
-Is exteremely light for a .308,
- well ballanced
-mild recoil
- accurate,
- very reliable,
- heavilly tested in all kind of conditions, including combat
- ergonomic,
- a lot of rail space at just under 8lbs, etc.
-made by a company that makes serious combat weapons for over 100 years
The 17s really hard to beat.
You can't find anything out there in .308 to matches the package the Heavy SCAR offers.
-Is exteremely light for a .308,
- well ballanced
-mild recoil
- accurate,
- very reliable,
- heavilly tested in all kind of conditions, including combat
- ergonomic,
- a lot of rail space at just under 8lbs, etc.
-made by a company that makes serious combat weapons for over 100 years
The 17s really hard to beat.
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