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Scary gun store moment...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Preacherman, Jul 23, 2003.

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  1. Preacherman

    Preacherman Member

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    Had a near-tragedy at my favorite local gun store the other day.

    I came in to drink their coffee and bat the breeze for awhile, as I often do. A customer came in shortly afterward, and browsed along the handgun display case for awhile. He then asked to see a DPMS 16" AR15 from the rifle rack behind the counter. The store owner gave him the rifle without comment - and, unfortunately, without clearing it.

    He began to aim the rifle out the window, with his finger on the trigger. The store owner stopped him (he and I are the "resident nags" about gun safety!), and asked him whether he had cleared the rifle and inspected the chamber. He gave a disdainful response about "Well, it's not my job to do that, it's the store's responsibility!". I had a few well-chosen words (reasonably polite) with him about how any negligent discharge would be his legal liability as well, if he pulled the trigger, and he reluctantly agreed to inspect the weapon.

    Imagine our surprise (and the horror of the gun store owner!) when a live .223 round popped out of the chamber! There was no magazine in the weapon, but somehow a live round had been loaded. All of us turned rather pale, and there was much heated discussion about how it had happened. In the middle of the conversation, the customer abruptly left.

    Turns out that that rifle had been handled that morning by two or three teenagers from the local assisted-housing estate. Our speculation is that one of them thought it would be funny to chamber a round and see if anyone else pulled the trigger. Other than that, we don't have an explanation... but the store owner is now emphatic that his staff clear any and every weapon both before they give it to a customer, and after he/she hands it back! He's also thinking about requiring all weapons to be cleared and inspected before and after business every day - difficult, this, due to the amount of stock on hand, but he may try storing all guns with the action locked open, to make inspection easier.
     
  2. S_O_Laban

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    Wow! glad everything worked out. Here locally about 15 years ago a man driving down the street in front of the local gun store was shot and killed in a similar incident to the one you described. Both the guy working the counter and the customer who killed the man claimed to have checked the rifle beforehand. You can't be too safe.
     
  3. sm

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    Whew!
    Glad it worked out.
    I may get razzed for re checking a firearm, even it was just checked before handed to me, but it's a habit. My gunsmith doesn't offend me when he does this back to me.

    At a now closed gunstore- Number of years ago a fella "tried" to chamber a round he had brought in --don't know intent...he was pointing with finger on trigger, displaying very unsafe gun handling before. Somebody-ahem- had distanced themself, and saw a yellow shell being put into the O/U about the time he leveled it again toward the store owner. "how did this guy wet his pants, and break a finger" one of the the officer asked whom came to collect the guy. "yeah and how did that guy manage to tear his shirt and bust his hand up"...nevermind...as they exited, grinning.

    Think he wet himself when the store owner threw a model 19 in his face...umm somebody threw coffee cup at the guy and went for the bbl,and was able to get and keep action open darn ejectors were sharp! I liked that shirt too
     
  4. forquidder

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    Clearing the chamber

    I can't remember the last time (if ever) when a gun store salesperson handed me a weapon without checking the chamber first.
     
  5. Billy Sparks

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    There was a story going around about a year or so ago that the anti's had a plan where they would visit gun stores ask to see a weapon and insert a live round in the chamber hoping for a ND so they could start shutting gunstore's down. True or not I don't know but I find it sorta interesting.
     
  6. Darrin

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    What is rule #1?

    Glad everyone is safe. The gun shop I frequent, I'll watch them clear any weapon when they hand it to me, then, I clear the weapon.
     
  7. chevrofreak

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    This is not uncommon at gun shows in the more liberal states.
     
  8. Art Eatman

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    Back in the gunshow days before using tie-wraps to lock guns open, I had somebody slip a .30-30 round into a Model 94 on my table.

    The discovery definitely created a strong puckering sensation.

    :(, Art
     
  9. willyjixx

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    that is sickening that some people would sink that low to put unkown peoples lives in danger just to prove their point. they should be hung for that if caught for potential manslaughter
     
  10. Wanderer

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    They shouldn't be hung, but tarred and feathered, whipped, and then shot in the head by the round they themselves put in the chamber.
     
  11. Standing Wolf

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    Every gun is always loaded, even if it's a brand new gun, and you haven't even taken it out of the box.
     
  12. tlnzz

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    Thanks for sharing that as a reminder. One does not know without looking.

    :what:
     
  13. P95Carry

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    Salutary tale ... and thankfully one with a safe outcome.

    Sadly, there is a bit too much laxity on the part of some gun owners and even store folk. It cannot be stressed enough that EVERY weapon (even a pellet gun, paint-ball gun) IS loaded ........ no other way to operate.

    I wish anyone being shown a gun of mine to see clear for themselves ... for their peace of mind and mine. I automatically pick up - point safe direction and either open cyl, open loading gate (and spin cyl) or with auto's drop any mag and lock back slide .... etc. Bolt weapons .... open bolt . semi's .... locked or with OBI. The list goes on.

    In fact ...... once a piece is ''on the table'' store or otherwise .. it stays in safe mode. If then a dry fire is required, it is closed under supervision and pointed safe .. after which again it is cleared as if loaded.

    Firearm ''accidents'' ..... aren't!!. They result from negligence. We all bear a responsibility to ourselves and others ... not to mention not giving the anti's something else to pounce on when these bad ''incidents'' do regretable (and avoidably) occur.
     
  14. 45R

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    WOW when I was in the bis every gun the crossed the counter was cleared and checked. Every shop that I go to clears and checks the guns when they cross the counter and back. I dont hang out long at places were people are not that good about gun safty. Clearing is not a curtesy for me its mandatory.

    Thank goodness nothing happened and everyone went home safe.
     
  15. Moparmike

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    I remember being handed several pistols without having them checked, and as they didnt check them I felt as if I was insulting them and the establishment if I checked it. I am glad I am not alone, and will make an effort to do so with all guns (still getting used to being around them, as it hasnt been a normal occurence).

    What scares me is when I was at a local armory and the resident psycho behind the counter (really scary guy, views and gun handling:scrutiny: ) starts pulling the trigger of all the milsurps at the display in the middle of the store, while I was standing next to them!:what: I wanted to scream and scram like a scared little girl. I had never encountered such a lack of respect for firearms:fire: :cuss: , much less in somewhere that will be teaching (at the counter) and selling them and their equipment!:cuss: :fire: Thank God they were all unloaded.:uhoh: :eek:

    The really bad part is that its the only armory within 50 miles.
     
  16. P95Carry

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    It's a ''MUST'' Mike IMO .. anything handed over uncleared needs cleared ..... no ifs and buts. And, if some dipstick also hands something to you muzzle first (heaven forbid) i think regardless of how wierd they may be .. sweep it to the side quickly ... and if challenged ask if they would like to be on the ''wrong end''!

    Most times I think we have to turn things thru 180º if people are sloppy ...... ask them if they like a gun pointed - at THEM .... and assuming it IS loaded .. not just maybe! I did that to a guy once at a range and he paused and said '' I hadn't looked at it that way'' ...... well duh .... at least it made him see different.
     
  17. PATH

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    Simple. Every gun is loaded. Even if you "know" it is not. Every gun is loaded and should be treated accordingly. It is a good habit to get into!
     
  18. Penforhire

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    The stores I frequent ALWAYS open the action and check before handing one over. I still get queasy standing nearby at the counter when someone I don't know, but who sounds like a gun novice, is handling a weapon nearby.
     
  19. Scarface

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    Proud of my Sons

    My Sons and I frequent the local gun shows together, here in North Carolina.

    Last year, my oldest Son picked up a pellet gun he had previously shown interest in. The first thing he did was to clear the chamber, before handling it in any other manner.

    I'm so proud of those boys, I could bust.
     
  20. ACP

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    Anyone want to cite any FACTUAL evidence about anti's putting live rounds in the chambers of gun store guns? Maybe they had a hand in their mouths at the time, like the well-known fictional pit bull story?? C'mon, now, I expect better from this board. And not clearing a weapon before handing it over to a customer and taking it back is just plain STUPID. No ifs, ands, or buts. It should be second nature to everyone here.
     
  21. JohnKSa

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    It's clear that someone is loading guns in gun stores and at gun shows. Since no one's been caught doing it, it's impossible to say whether they're anti's or not.

    Which means that it is as unreasonable to say it's not antis as it is to claim that it is.
     
  22. Richardson

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    A non-shooting friend of mine (Jim) tells a story about a friend of his who he met at a gas station. His friend was going shooting. Jim asked if he could handle the weapon. They were pretty well shielded from view so his friend complied. Jim asked if he could pull the trigger. His friend said "Sure, it's unloaded". Jim squeezed the trigger and shot the brick wall of the gas station.

    Jim TOTALLY understands and appreciates that I always check the chamber of every weapon I've handed to him.

    Richardson
     
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    This gun store local to me checks every weapon before and after handing it to a customer.

    Glad nothing bad happened in your situation.
     
  24. Dionysusigma

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    A while back, I was adjusting the red dot sight on a BB pistol (yeah, I know it sounds silly, but this was a nice one). Thought the thing was empty, and I had my left middle finger over the barrel. Screwdriver slipped, I heard a loud *pop*, and immediately my finger went numb...until I saw it bleeding profusely and turning funny:uhoh: colors. Never ever made that mistake again.
     
  25. Betty

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    :eek:

    I was in a pawn shop once and heard someone say, "bang." I turned around and found myself staring down a muzzle. :scrutiny:

    Apparently this teenager thought it was cute to pick a rifle off the rack and use my head for a target.

    :cuss:
     
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