SCCY Self Discharge?

[Kano383]

Wish I had one to look at... Then, on the hammer there is that small spring pin. What would happen if it just wiggled ever so slightly to one side? Is there a hole or a ledge on which it could catch?

 

[Reno380]

He took it to the range early this morning before work, it fired twice on its own, he had to smack it, not hard just a good firm tap, but out of 100 rounds twice. I told him I want to tear it down and look at it while cleaning it to see if there are burrs or something rough like that holding the hammer down or something, before he boxes it up and sends it in. I will take pictures of it regardless if I find something or not. I told him that if it was me, I would demand a direct replacement from the factory, that way he knows he won't get another that may have been missed by Q.C. even though they said he may get one but not neccesarily, I bought a Cobra .380 from a co worker that he did not like it, sold it to me for $50, it is a crap gun, but it had serious milling issues with the feed ramp and barrel, the shell did not fit all the way, the barrel was not milled properly so the slide would be open by about 2 or 3 mm, maybe a tad more, the feed ramp was jagged and rough, Cobra paid shipping both ways fixed those problems and replaced the firing pin as it had stress cracks they said (or something like that, can't remember), but you never know, any manufacturer can make a bad mistake no matter what, but he needs to get this resolved, he uses my Taurus slim for his C.C. for now.
Reno

 

[PabloJ]

If he traded for brand new SCCY I would ask for a refund even if it was not full refund and buy something else.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Just a note or two on SCCY firearms. They are producing all their all American made guns on fairly new CNC machines with final fitting done by hand. Every gun is inspected before it leaves the factory so it's not right trashing a company's QC because of one second hand report. Remember, this was a second hand gun so we have no idea what was done to it after it left the factory.

 

[Reno380]

Just a note or two on SCCY firearms. They are producing all their all American made guns on fairly new CNC machines with final fitting done by hand. Every gun is inspected before it leaves the factory so it's not right trashing a company's QC because of one second hand report. Remember, this was a second hand gun so we have no idea what was done to it after it left the factory.

My son traded his Ruger LC9 for this SCCY at the gunshop where he bought the ruger, the SCCY is brand new never fired until he did. I'm not trashing the company, I just like my Ruger the most, then Taurus and Walther, my son took it wrong too, if you really like say Glock, and I traded a Glock for a SCCY or Hi-Point, you would be like why? Why would you trade a fine pistol for that? Well, maybe leave Hi-point out of this, lol, that is obviously a WHY??!!!?!?! but that is all I meant. But is good to know SCCY is QC like that, but one can slip by man or machine, happens to all man made products.
Reno

 

[PabloJ]

They are producing all their all American made guns on fairly new CNC machines with final fitting done by hand. Every gun is inspected before it leaves the factory so it's not right trashing a company's QC because of one second hand report. Remember, this was a second hand gun so we have no idea what was done to it after it left the factory.

My son traded his Ruger LC9 for this SCCY at the gunshop where he bought the ruger, the SCCY is brand new never fired until he did. I'm not trashing the company, I just like my Ruger the most, then Taurus and Walther, my son took it wrong too, if you really like say Glock, and I traded a Glock for a SCCY or Hi-Point, you would be like why? Why would you trade a fine pistol for that? Well, maybe leave Hi-point out of this, lol, that is obviously a WHY??!!!?!?! but that is all I meant. But is good to know SCCY is QC like that, but one can slip by man or machine, happens to all man made products.
Reno

No need to dwell on the trade just replace this with something with more proven track record.

 

[Jim NE]

I actually liked the DAO trigger on my Keltec, but really wanted a higher quality gun. The original Ruger LC9 I bought seems to give me that trigger with the quality I want. I was tempted to try the SCCY after quality issues with my KelTec, but I guess I'm glad I didn't go that route after hearing this story. Glad nobody was hurt, too.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

Sccy makes a good gun but they have had issues. The CPX-1s hand safety lever issues. On the early ones the lever could be pushed to far down and caus problems.

They fixed the problem by adding a ledge under the safety lever. This caused another problem, the ledge came out to far and made it hard to engage the safety.

This was corrected by reshaping the ledge under the safety. This worked for a while but then they had a problem with safety levers breaking. They fixed the safety lever problem with the CPX-2, no more safety lever.

During the time of dealing with the safety lever a few other changes were made to the frame and slide.
In my line of work I get to shoot a lot of handguns and shoot five to eight different Sccy pistols a year .

They have always had good customer service and offer a good product for the money you spend.
They will most likely replace your son's gun with a new one.
I'm not a fan of the Sccy pistols, but they do fill a need in the market.

 

[MedWheeler]

...but I guess I'm glad I didn't go that route after hearing this story.

If I went with the "glad I didn't go that route after hearing this story" plan, my house would be a GFZ.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

My son traded his Ruger LC9 for this SCCY at the gunshop where he bought the ruger, the SCCY is brand new never fired until he did. I'm not trashing the company, I just like my Ruger the most, then Taurus and Walther, my son took it wrong too, if you really like say Glock, and I traded a Glock for a SCCY or Hi-Point, you would be like why? Why would you trade a fine pistol for that? Well, maybe leave Hi-point out of this, lol, that is obviously a WHY??!!!?!?! but that is all I meant. But is good to know SCCY is QC like that, but one can slip by man or machine, happens to all man made products.
Reno

My comments were not aimed at you at all. I was just making a point about the gun and company in general to add information the thread.

 

[Mike J]

My sister has a Scyy & seems to like it really well. I believe it is a knock off of the Kel-Tec P-11. I used to have a P-11. Not the nicest gun but it worked. I would be interested to know what y'all figure out.

 

[jjones45]

A gun that goes off by itself is about as serious of a problem one can have. Just seems odd it decided to go off when he took it off and set it on the table and it was at rest and not when he was moving about and carrying it all day. I will watching this thread to see what happens. Is sccy gonna pay for the repairs to the floor and table as well? They should, this is totally unacceptable. Imaging if the gun discharged when your son was at the restaurant and wounded someone. He'd be in a world of s***

 

[Kano383]

Reno, did you ever get to check the gun up close, since last week?

 

[SwampWolf]

There's no way a DAO pistol is going off "by itself". Either someone handled the gun, OR something got into or was wrong with the holster.

Absolutely agree with this assessment and others like it. Unless the pistol was "possessed", ala the Excorcist, a pistol just isn't going to fire by itself, laying on a table. Darn near impossible.

 

[Fiv3r]

Absolutely agree with this assessment and others like it. Unless the pistol was "possessed", ala the Excorcist, a pistol just isn't going to fire by itself, laying on a table. Darn near impossible.

Maybe his son dropped the SCCY on top of a SIG P320

In all seriousness, I would love to see what they say about this. I came very close to picking one up when they were 199 at Rural King a few months ago.

It's so strange that a DA gun with a heavy trigger would do that. I don't discount the story. I'm just saying that full and partial tension strikers give me more of the "it went off on its own" vibe.

I'm really curious what they will say caused it.

 

[Kano383]

Absolutely agree with this assessment and others like it. Unless the pistol was "possessed", ala the Excorcist, a pistol just isn't going to fire by itself, laying on a table. Darn near impossible.

It's a hammer-fired DAO pistol, with the hammer hidden. All it would take is for the hammer to hang on a burr or anything, in precarious balance till something gives. And... BANG.

 

[Sarge7402]

Funny . Didn't see anything on a report back from the company as to what might have happened. I know when I cracked the fame on my P3AT the company and I wen over what had happened at some length.

So did the company ever get back with the second hand owner

 

[SwampWolf]

It's a hammer-fired DAO pistol, with the hammer hidden. All it would take is for the hammer to hang on a burr or anything, in precarious balance till something gives. And... BANG.

What would "give"? It's sitting on the table all by its lonesome; nothing touching it and...BANG! Really?

The only caveat to what I argued is "darn near" impossible as opposed to impossible. But what has been alleged is pretty darn near impossible, absent the devil's intervention.

 

[unclenunzie]

I have a CPX-2. It's a DAO hammer fired pistol that is mechanically the same as a Keltec P11. It has no firing pin block, and a heavy hammer spring and corresponding trigger pull. For this pistol to fire without the trigger being pulled at the moment of firing, the hammer would have to be back far enough (as if someone staging a trigger for a clean, single-action-like shot from a DAO revolver) and held there by a defect. Then, with no one touching it, the hammer would have to slip off whatever it was that held it back, so it could strike the firing pin and send the round.

The thing is, to get the hammer into this dangerous and almost single-action condition, you have to pull the trigger to cam the hammer back, or chamber a round so the slide does it. Setting aside any user negligence, I'd say chambering a round left this particular pistol with the hammer stuck back - either through poorly fitted parts, wear, debris, or a combination. If it were mine I would of course send it back, but being the detail type I would probably inspect every part first. Maybe the hammer pin is not properly shaped anymore - maybe the fit is so loose that the hammer can get jammed back. But this is the area I could see causing this.

I will be curious to learn what SCCY finds.

 

[lordhamster]

Before the Sig P320 fiasco, I think everyone would be quick to dismiss this as impossible, but lets not forget that guns are not only HANDLED by fallible people, they are designed and manufactured by fallible people as well.

If the OP's story is taken at face value. I think unclenunzie's explanation is the most plausible.

Update: Upon doing a whole 10 seconds of "research" on youtube, I found a person who posted another sccy that posts this exact issue... saying the hammer will fall unpredictably due to a defect:

Published on Aug 1, 2013
www.firearmpatriot.com
The CPX2 trigger has once again failed after being repaired by the factory. The trigger again completely stopped working on round #204 put through the pistol. The trigger will pull the hammer back but will not release it. Then occasionally the hammer with fall without warning. This is a very dangerous condition. The pistol will be returned to SCCY for repair. Follow up video to follow. Please Subscribe to the Firearm Patriot Channel for more videos.

So folks, lets not be so quick to call everyone a liar and assume that NOTHING can ever be defective from the factory.

I have a CPX-2. It's a DAO hammer fired pistol that is mechanically the same as a Keltec P11. It has no firing pin block, and a heavy hammer spring and corresponding trigger pull. For this pistol to fire without the trigger being pulled at the moment of firing, the hammer would have to be back far enough (as if someone staging a trigger for a clean, single-action-like shot from a DAO revolver) and held there by a defect. Then, with no one touching it, the hammer would have to slip off whatever it was that held it back, so it could strike the firing pin and send the round.

The thing is, to get the hammer into this dangerous and almost single-action condition, you have to pull the trigger to cam the hammer back, or chamber a round so the slide does it. Setting aside any user negligence, I'd say chambering a round left this particular pistol with the hammer stuck back - either through poorly fitted parts, wear, debris, or a combination. If it were mine I would of course send it back, but being the detail type I would probably inspect every part first. Maybe the hammer pin is not properly shaped anymore - maybe the fit is so loose that the hammer can get jammed back. But this is the area I could see causing this.

I will be curious to learn what SCCY finds.

 

[Hokkmike]

SCCY has a lifetime warranty to ANY owner. Have them check it over.

 

[Yo Mama]

Just a note or two on SCCY firearms. They are producing all their all American made guns on fairly new CNC machines with final fitting done by hand. Every gun is inspected before it leaves the factory so it's not right trashing a company's QC because of one second hand report. Remember, this was a second hand gun so we have no idea what was done to it after it left the factory.

The ones that come out of the factory suck also though. I'm sorry but I have little to no respect for this company including how they were formed. It's a gun to stay away from and to advise anybody that you care about to do the same.

 

[Yo Mama]

I have a CPX-2. It's a DAO hammer fired pistol that is mechanically the same as a Keltec P11. It has no firing pin block, and a heavy hammer spring and corresponding trigger pull. For this pistol to fire without the trigger being pulled at the moment of firing, the hammer would have to be back far enough (as if someone staging a trigger for a clean, single-action-like shot from a DAO revolver) and held there by a defect. Then, with no one touching it, the hammer would have to slip off whatever it was that held it back, so it could strike the firing pin and send the round.

The thing is, to get the hammer into this dangerous and almost single-action condition, you have to pull the trigger to cam the hammer back, or chamber a round so the slide does it. Setting aside any user negligence, I'd say chambering a round left this particular pistol with the hammer stuck back - either through poorly fitted parts, wear, debris, or a combination. If it were mine I would of course send it back, but being the detail type I would probably inspect every part first. Maybe the hammer pin is not properly shaped anymore - maybe the fit is so loose that the hammer can get jammed back. But this is the area I could see causing this.

I will be curious to learn what SCCY finds.

Sorry to split hairs with you but it's not mechanically the same. It's an attempt to be, especially with the owner of the company having taken the designs from keltec and trying to replicate but instead results in a lower quality gun than was ever thought to be established coming out from Kel-Tec.

 

[Blkhrt13]

I really want to love the sccy and p11 because of the size and capacity. But this makes me nervous to hear of a spontaneous hammer fall. Especially more than one.

 

[Zendude]

He took it to the range early this morning before work, it fired twice on its own, he had to smack it, not hard just a good firm tap, but out of 100 rounds twice. I told him I want to tear it down and look at it while cleaning it to see if there are burrs or something rough like that holding the hammer down or something, before he boxes it up and sends it in. I will take pictures of it regardless if I find something or not. I told him that if it was me, I would demand a direct replacement from the factory, that way he knows he won't get another that may have been missed by Q.C. even though they said he may get one but not neccesarily, I bought a Cobra .380 from a co worker that he did not like it, sold it to me for $50, it is a crap gun, but it had serious milling issues with the feed ramp and barrel, the shell did not fit all the way, the barrel was not milled properly so the slide would be open by about 2 or 3 mm, maybe a tad more, the feed ramp was jagged and rough, Cobra paid shipping both ways fixed those problems and replaced the firing pin as it had stress cracks they said (or something like that, can't remember), but you never know, any manufacturer can make a bad mistake no matter what, but he needs to get this resolved, he uses my Taurus slim for his C.C. for now.
Reno

Well, since he was able to replicate the event at the range, there is definitely something seriously wrong with the gun. Did you see any indication of what caused the issue when you disassembled it?