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School shooting in Finland

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Shung, Sep 23, 2008.

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  1. Shung

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    I am affraid that for the 2n time in one year, this will affect the finish laws about firearms... Which are with Switzerland laws, the better in europe at the moment..
     
  2. ErikS

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    There are videos on YouTube of a 22year old in the same town (Kauhajoki) shooting a Walther P22 target at a range. The commenters there have identified him as the shooter. You find it by searching 'Kauhajoki gun' on YouTube

    As for the Finnish gun laws, I googled them, and they seem to be about the same as in the rest of Scandinavia? Doesn't seem at all as Switzerlands laws, but I might have read it wrong.
    The reason so many people in Finland have guns is because so many of them hunt, and own hunting rifles.

    UPDATE:
    The videos have now been removed from YouTube. Basically all they showed was a guy walking up in front of a camera and shooting his pistol, nothing more than that, no "gangsta style" or crazy talk. I did take a screen cap of his profile, as well as a screen cap of what was claimed to be his gf/cameraman, who seems to have a fettish for serial killers.

    UPDATE 2:
    Just found another video that wasn't in the guys profile when I first looked. This shows the guy looking down into the camera and saying "you will die next!" before he starts firing towards/under the camera. YouTube is removing them as they are uploaded by users, but I saved a screenshot.
     
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  3. Shung

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    you re right.. finland laws seems to be tighter than what I ever thought..
     
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    They are still good compared to here. In Finland, "Hobby shooting" (I take this to mean "plinking") is a valid reason to get a license. Not so here. Also, no silly restrictions on how a bloody hunting rifle/shotgun can look like. If you want to buy an FAL to hunt with, or a Saiga 12, that's just fine. Fairly good laws compared to many other places in Europe as well, like the UK for example.
     
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    What is it with school shooters and Walther P22's? Isn't that (in part) what the VaTech a-hole used?
     
  7. JohnBT

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    From Yahoo...

    "34 minutes ago

    Finland's interior minister says a man who killed nine people in a school shooting was questioned by police a day before the massacre but released.

    Anne Holmlund says the gunman was detained for questioning on Monday about YouTube postings in which he is seen firing a handgun. She says police released him because they had no legal reason to keep him detained.

    She says the man used a 22-millimeter caliber handgun in Tuesday's attack in Kauhajoki, 180 miles (300 kilometers) northwest of Helsinki. Holmlund says he got the license for the gun in August."


    22 millimeters equals .86+ inches. Call it .87. :)
     
  8. Shung

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    that is a big gun..
     
  9. Loosedhorse

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    22 mm handgun--WOW! (Perhaps .22 LR...)

    My condolences to the victims, their families, to Finlanders, and to all gun owners.

    It seems that when someone drives drunk and kills someone, it doesn't "spash-over" and get read as a mark against all car owners. But we know that (either by itself or driven by media with an agenda) this latest school shooting affects us all, and will be mentioned someday even in the US Congress.

    Prayers.
     
  10. ErikS

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    Most likely the Walther P22 Target (.22 LR) he had on the YouTube videos...
     
  11. Halo

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    Pretty soon this incident will be blamed on "the spread of America's diseased culture".
     
  12. Colt46

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    Pretty restricitive laws regarding weapons

    One of the national symbols of finland is their Puukko.
    Most populated areas forbid them to be carried on the belt unless you can prove some kind of neccessity for your work. Despite the fact that Puukko is nothing more than a knife used for utility purposes.
    Can't speak as to how their gun laws are set up.
     
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/sep/23/finland.school.shooting.causes
    They've come to the conclusion that all school shootings can't be prevented by psychological means. :rolleyes:
     
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    Ten people died, not including the coward who decided not to take the responsibility after all, as he kicked the bucket too. And now their prime minister wants to review the issue of having handguns in civilian hands. :barf: it starts to look very much like a long-term anti-gun campaign.

    Anyway, the killer also used Molotov cocktails, so by the newspaper some of the bodies are hard to identify as they are burned too extensively (not sure whether he lit up living people or corpses). Why not ban glass bottles and gasoline?

    Where are the car buying licenses? :rolleyes:

    It is interesting, though, that within a relatively short time span two Finns have flipped the lid, as they are very phlegmatic people (no offense :) )
     
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    A few years ago a student in Japan killed several people with a knife. It can happen with any implement and in any society, there is no way legislation can prevent it.
     
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    Continuing the thought from Halo: yeah, when there's a will then there's a way.

    Criminals will do whatever the laws forbid them doing and I'm pretty sure that they don't care a bit. Banning guns won't make the streets safe, so why not go an extra mile and ban living at all?
     
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    Violence is a universal problem.
    Guns are not.
     
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    There will always be an idiot who will come unhinged for some unknown reason, and commit an atrocity upon some population (be they students, postal workers, etc.) with the weapon that is available. If there are no guns, then a knife. No knife, then a bomb, and so forth. The only way to prohibit these crimes is to isolate each person from all contact with others, and as the human race is social in nature, this is ludicrous. If anyone (and I know I'm preaching to the choir) can present data to reinforce the notion that banning any type of weapon can make us safer, then please present them!
     
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    One thing to remember is that this guy was 22 years old, and no criminal record. He joined a gun club, practised and trained there, waited and got his license for a .22, and bought the gun legally, to have for plinking and competing.

    The people that might argue that the Finnish gunlaws are too lax should know that even the Swedish gunlaws, that are really strict, would not have stopped this guy from getting the gun the exact same way.

    And even if the had, he could just as easy, and just a legal, have gotten a hunters licens and bought a shotgun or a rifle instead.

    And if he couldn't have gotten a gun, he could have done what another Finn did a few years ago, build a bomb and use it to blow up people in a mall.
     
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    Once again, the media "reinforces" this kind of behavior by giving out this guy's name, talking about his opinions, and showing his pictures/videos. The media needs to STOP doing this!! All it does is assure the next wacko who is thinking about doing this that he, too, will be famous (although in death and only for a very short time).

    The media should make it a point to not show photos of these types of criminals and not mention their name. Talk about the incident?? Sure. But don't publicize these guys and give them the "immortality" (fame) they were hoping for.
     
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    Please explain, or at least write so I can understand the sentences, thanks.
     
  22. Hoppy590

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    hes saying that this event will impact Finnish gun laws, which are at the time rather pro gun like Switzerland
     
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    Shame

    I read that it took police ten minutes to get to the school, of course that is 9 minutes and 58 seconds too late. I am assuming it is impossible or near impossible for someone to legally carry a handgun in Finland, like most of Europe.

    I don't think it's easy to own a gun when I have to pay a chunk of change to join a gun club and prove my worthiness to the police. Seems like Finland has fairly strict gun laws, which are what all the bed wetters here in the USA want. Obvious that even those strict laws did not stop this guy, they only kept people from defending themselves. I'm sure it is also illegal to make homemade bombs in Finland, I guess the nut forgot about that law.
     
  24. Halo

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    And that's just the thing, focusing on the implement rather than actor will only guarantee that law-abiding people pay the price and the criminals continue to be, well, criminals. As we all know, the motivation of a deranged person is not restrained by law nor a lack of one particular tool. Strapping two glass bottles together, one with chlorine bleach and the other with ammonia would yield a crude gas bomb. Just wait till some nut uses something like that, then you'll have to show ID every time you clean your laundry.

    I think what I hate most, other than the fact that a nutjob wasn't satisfied with taking only his own life, is how the media reliably whip the public into a frenzy demanding that the government "do something!" Has any abridgment of liberty in history not been preceded by such?
     
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    Of course the BBC has jumped all over this. They mention the legal age to purchase a firearm in Finland is 15.
    Yemen is listed #2 in gun ownership behind the US.

    NCsmitty
     
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