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Schools Ban Patriotic Clothes, Flags

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  1. Desertdog

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    Why don't the school go to a school uniform, and then they can say what can be put on the uniform? Also, the kids wouldn't have to spend time trying to figure out what to wear to school, and not be able to have better clothes than anybody else. The uniform could designed so there would be no way for the students hide their firearms on themselves.

    Schools Ban Patriotic Clothes, Flags
    School Officials Say Move Is Temporary
    http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/8439483/detail.html


    SAN DIEGO -- In the wake of last week's immigration-reform protests, one school district is taking drastic measures, banning all symbols of patriotism, both U.S. and Mexican.


    Beginning Monday, the Oceanside Unified School District is banning all flags and patriotic clothing. According to school officials, some students are using the garments and flags to taunt classmates.

    Some critics of the move are calling it a violation of free speech protections guaranteed by the Constitution.

    The American Civil Liberties Union points to the landmark Supreme Court case Tinker v. Des Moines. In that case, school officials attempted to stop students who were protesting the Viet Nam War from wearing black armbands.

    "The school has to be able to show a strong likelihood that there is going to material and substantial disruption of school, and if they don’t meet that standard, then they can't censor student speech," said Kevin Neenan of the ACLU.

    School officials in Oceanside now say that flags -- whether they are U.S. or Mexican or any other country's -- have now become a divider on campuses, saying that some students are using them to taunt other students

    Keith Brentlinger displays the U.S. flag outside Hatter, Williams and Purdy, his Oceanside business.

    "To me, it's everything," said Brentlinger "I mean, like I said -- we truly live in the greatest country in the world."

    Brentlinger said he was shocked on Tuesday when marching immigration-reform protesters tore down the flag outside his business.

    "Some of them just grabbed the flag, and pulled it off its aluminum pole, and it got ripped," said Brentlinger.

    Brentlinger told NBC 7/39 that he put up a new flag the next day.

    "Some protesters drove up in their car and snagged the flag from our building and took off," said Brentlinger. "I was extremely, extremely upset. I mean, it was just ... insulting is the word."

    School officials are saying that the ban is just temporary and that they were just trying to prevent violence. They would not say how long the ban would be in effect.
     
  2. El Tejon

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    Whew! Good thing the students can still wear a USSR flag on their shirts.:eek:
     
  3. Zero_DgZ

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    The tighter and tighter you squeeze a balloon, the more likely it will be to pop.

    It's one thing to work to curb classism, ethnic disputes, and other disruptions in the classroom. It's another thing entirely to ban expression and free speech outright. I can see where they're coming from, but I disagree with it completely.

    Once again, they're treating the symptom. Work on the underlying causes must be done, otherwise they'll be treating variants of the same symptoms forever.
     
  4. Camp David

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    The United States needs to divest itself of California fairly quickly...I'd be more happy with 49 patriotic democratic states than 50 socialist ones!
     
  5. Zero_DgZ

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    Smartest thing I've heard all day.
     
  6. engineer151515

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    Our schools banned patriotic clothes years ago with school uniforms. :barf:

    If I wanted my kid to dress in uniform at public school, I would have moved to communist China.
     
  7. R.H. Lee

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    Sounds good to me. As the world's 7th largest economy, we'd do well without the economic drain of the other 49 states. No federal regulation or taxes; no incentive for illegals to come here for federal goodies. California as a sovereign independent country makes sense.
     
  8. Fletchette

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    You'd have to ditch Massachusetts, too!

    BTW, isn't it a Colorado law that public schools MUST display the American flag? Shouldn't the principal by arrested, or do we get to ignore that law also?
     
  9. Fletchette

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    Har. ********** would fall apart immediately because it doesn't have water.
     
  10. MrTuffPaws

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    I like the idea of school uniforms. I even liked the idea of it when I was in school. Not to mention all of the money the parents would save if they did not have to buy their snotty nosed brat designer jeans.
     
  11. Master Blaster

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    I guess you wouldnt send your kids to Catholic School or to many private schools, which all have uniforms, or very strict dress codes which practically require a uniform. And they have had these uniforms for decades.:eek:
     
  12. TexasRifleman

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    Yea, makes sense til your country needs electricity....... Not that California is a "drain" on the juice huh...... give me a break.

    This is the reason that California is in the shape it's in. Folks in other states make a comment about how bad California has become. Rather than agree and work together to fight the problem, the citizens there just deny it is happening and pretend like everything is OK.

    Is nice weather really worth that much to you?
     
  13. R.H. Lee

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    Well, we pay for it. At about 3x market value IIRC.

    California "bad"? Hardly-only in the minds of those who've probably never even been here. Our standard of living is really very high. And yes, the weather's great, too. :)

    As far as 'working together to solve the problem', it's just a matter of time before your local schools adopt this kind of ban. But it's sooooo much easier just to bash CA, isn't it?
     
  14. Fletchette

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    Exactly! I have a buddy who was forced to move to ********** (military). After a few months he was singing the "it ain't that bad here" tune. I think it is some sort of psychological defense mechanism. I had to start listing the things he used to be able to do in his former state that he could no longer do. Now, after spending several years in **********, he is completely ready to leave and go elsewhere.
     
  15. Fletchette

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    R.H. Lee,

    I do not wish to bash you or otherwise insult you indirectly by criticising your state, but California really does have large problems. Ignoring it doesn't help.
     
  16. R.H. Lee

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    The entire country has large problems. Y'all aren't exempt no matter how much you'd like to believe. Things that start here spread elsewhere. Trashtalking CA won't protect you. You can run but you can't hide.
     
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    In other news, some students use words to taunt classmates. School officials are considering putting duct tape over students' mouths when they arrive in the morning.
     
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  18. Phetro

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    DEMOCRATIC? You want democracy, go live in a socialist nation. THAT'S what democracy is: tyranny by majority rule. American government was created on the system of a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. NOT a democracy.

    The "democracy" misconception is so widespread now--thanks to the media and politicians (on both sides of the aisle, of course) pretending it's true--that even people on otherwise right-thinking sites like THR have fallen for it?!

    This is too much. This has to be stopped and corrected.
     
  19. Camp David

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    Every state has "problems" but few exhibit such anti-American sentiment as California... this school's ban on patriotism is just the latest stunt in California's ongoing crusade against America. If California cannot keep its school district's in line, perhaps Federal control is necessary. Barring that, I suggested that this nation would be better off, economically speaking, if it shed itself of the burden of California on its resources. I further suggest that each state has a responsibility to be America first and state second, or at least pay strong tribute to its role as a state in a larger union via patriotism and respect. If California cannot do that, we should divest this nation of California, to the benefit of 49 other states.

    Recall that the City of San Diego and the City of San Francisco have slandered our military at least six times in the last month via ordnance; other California cities are following suit...


    Keep your radical school districts and leftists sentiment in check is all that is being asked! I mean: "banning patriotism"? Are you really being an advocate for that?
     
  20. Delmar

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    My going away present from uncle sugar. You're kicking me out of school for ???
     

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    The story that "so goes California goes the rest of the country" only applies to rap music and fashion.

    It just doesn't happen that way. Give me one major repressive thing that California started that moved into the rest of the country.

    That may have been the case decades ago but it seems Florida has taken the drivers seat.

    As goes Florida, so goes the rest of the country:

    Concealed Carry
    "Stand Your Ground" laws
    Eminent Domain protections
    Gun confiscation limits on the government during emergencies

    From Florida to the majority of the US.

    Sorry California, you just are not as relevant as you think you are.

    As for "bashing", what else would you have us do? You have opportunity after opportunity to fight all of the repressive things your state gov't does, but you don't, you just sit and take it. It's not bashing, it's surprise and pity we feel for the citizens of California.

    You recently had THE perfect case to lobby for concealed carry, almost identical to the case that got CCW in Texas and other states. Did you do anything about it? Nope. Not a peep. Not even an attempt.

    There are more important things in life than nice weather.
     
  22. torpid

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    Smoking bans.

    What do I win? :D
     
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    SF is like it's own city-state.
    What has SD done to slander the military though, I dont recall anything in the news?

    IMO, The school's regulations make sense. It's their responsibility to keep kids safe.
     
  24. Phetro

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    LOL!

    Great point! Smoking bans are the scourge of the do-gooders who do no good. What will they do when lung cancer-related deaths don't drop? Blame it on something else, and then ban that too.
     
  25. Phetro

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    Oh, I Forgot to Mention...

    ...they should be banning the display of MEXICAN flags in America, no doubt about it. It's as unpatriotic and anti-American an act as one can imagine, and should not be tolerated. If Mexico is something to be proud of:

    1. Why did they come here? Going to lots of trouble to get here, I might add...
    2. Why don't they go back?

    Banning the display of an American flag in America is treasonous, however. The USA is our nation, which we must defend and respect above--and to the exclusion of if necessary--all others.
     
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