Scope for Hunting rifle?

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  1. HoosierHunter128

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    Swaro Z3 vs Zeiss V4? I bought a Swampfox LPVO 1-10 for my AR and love it. I like swampfox a lot, but they don't have the scope in stock that I want. I'm not familiar with Meopta, but people sing praises. I do like my Leupolds, I have 4, but my swampfox has better glass, is illuminated, and a little cheaper for the same options. For me, from what I've looked through at Cabelas, I'd rank 1. Swaro 2. Zeiss 3. NightForce 4. Trijicon.
    (I've never looked through a Schmidt and Bender and couldn't afford one anyhow)

    I can get a discount on the Zeiss for $770 for a Zeiss CONQUEST V4 4-16x50 ZMOAi-1 Illum. Reticle (#93).

    If you were putting a scope on a rifle, and wanted:
    1. Illumination
    2. MOA/MIL Drop
    3. Clarity/Low light
    4. Higher than 12x for the upper end 3 or 4x for lower end,

    Knowing that this is for primarily a hunting scenario, not a bench scenario, what would you pick? Keeping it below $1000, being mindful of what you spend vs what you get/ value.
     
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    I replied in your other thread, but id probably start and stop with the Zeiss, or look up a Meopta.
    Other than that, and if large size and extra weight arnt a big issue the Athlon Midas HMRs are really nice for the cost.
     
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    Thanks, yeah, I just created a new post for the optics... My other post was for the rifle, so I figured I should separate them.
     
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    That Zeiss checks every box, and is a great deal at 30% off. I love their glass and would choose them over Swaro based on illumination. I hadn't had an illuminated scope before this last deer season, and it makes all the difference at low light. So you'd just buy that Zeiss and call it a day?
     
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    I kinda did. I have an HD5 ridding around on my Ridgeline. Its the only scope gun combo thst dosent change.
    I just got two meopta HTRs and seriously considered swapping one onto the ridgeline, but the ridgeline/hd5 combo is just so perfect i put the HTR on my 6.5CM.
     
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    there's also a bunch of people way more knowledgeable about optics on the forum than I am. They may have other better suggestions.
     
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    Just looked up the Midas. I can get that for $490, and it looks nice. Do you have one? How do they track?
     
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    Its very hard to have your cake and eat it too with scopes. It seems like if you are illuminated, and all of these other options, they don't track well, and the most basic scopes, track well. I just want to find something that I can set up on this rifle I'm buying, and know that if there's an accuracy issue, its the rifle, not the scope...
     
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    I've never owned one two of my friends got them and I set up both of their rifles. From my limited testing tracking is good, optics are really good The reticles usable with very little practice, and the illuminations good.
    I've also owned an Aries BTR a Midas BTR, to Argos HMRs, a number of other older or lower end scopes from Athlon. All have been very good values, none have failed, and I've been universally happy with all of them.

    If there's one failing that the athlons have in terms of hunting scopes is that they're usually pretty heavy for their size. I believe the Midas HMR is something like 26 or 27 oz whereas my Zeiss HD5 is only 15 oz for a similar power range.
     
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    What about a Maven?
     
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    I havent used one, i KNOW there was someone on here who bought an liked a Maven scope, but i cant remember who.
     
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    Hahaha. I just looked at that too about the Maven. I also looked at that Toric. I’m not afraid of unfamiliar brands. As you can tell, I do a bunch of research and am comfortable with good peoples advice. To be honest, that Swampfox scope I bought far exceeded my expectations. It tracked well, has great clarity and is really good in low light. My deciding point there was that the guy that’s running the show there was at primary arms for a long time, and their stuff is pretty good too. This is much better in my opinion. Also, FYI, I asked a question about MIL vs MOA, because I’m used to MOA, and they were quick to send me to an app that I could put in my info, and get that info quickly...better than Nikon does with their “spot on”. I’d be tempted to try them with a rifle scope, but bought the LPVO from Swampfox specifically because it was a 1-10x, illuminated, and there’s just nothing else out there in that price range that offers that.
     
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    Id go as far to say that I think the Swampfox 1-10 arrowhead is the best option for an AR setup, if you also want to shoot distance yet have a 1x
     
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    They also come with the flip cap covers which are very nice too
     
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    I guess I don't care if its a little hefty if it checks all of the other boxes. This seems to be the best bargain of the bunch
     
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    Any thoughts?
     
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    Rain, cold, lots of stuff to possibly go wrong, but I’ve never seen anything like this
     
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    I really like the idea the sig bdx has but from what I've seen the glass sucks for its price range.
     
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    It just seems to me as if the numbers are right, and you tell the app what you're shooting, and the scope actually works, this is a game changer. Who cares if it doesn't have perfect glass...you're literally just worried about one dot that is perfect... hopefully? I'm not sold. I am pretty good with holdover to 400, and believe in the MOA reticles that have shooting placement. This is just so different. Does it need to connect to your cell phone between the rangefinder and the scope? I am usually in places with minimal cell coverage! How do they connect? And if that's not an issue, why buy both, just buy the scope? I like the idea, and am considering...just want to figure out why not...
     
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    Ive played with exactly ONE of those, again just setting up a buddies gun. Setting up the scope was easy, and really besides the thick crosshair (necessitated by the drop compensation led), and RELATIVELY poor glass, Its an accurate and easy to use system once set up and dialed in, especially with a spotter.
    (going from what i remember)
    The scope works by connecting to the range finder, so if your phone ISNT present it runs off of stored data. If your device is present and the app is running it will pull data from the outputs of the app.
    The thing does work, and is pretty reliable from what Ive seen and been told.

    Its not fool proof tho.

    My buddy is relatively new to both hunting and shooting, and by that I mean he's really only got seriously into it in the last 5 years or so. After I set up his rifle, the next time he took it out was hunting on another island, and proceeded to miss a bunch of shots. Many of which he probably wouldn't have if he had one of his regular rigs. His issue was trusting the scope's holdover compensation, but his inputs werent correct. After he got back, another friend of ours who is much more experienced with using a ballistic app and shooting distance went thru it with him and fixed the problems.

    The system also only compensates for the easiest thing TO compensate for. Drop is the one thing that's close to constant, and might as well be out to 500yds or so. With modern high-intensity cartridge trajectories, MOST guns with a 200-250yd zero will only show something like 3-5moa above/below POA out to 400yds, and [email protected]

    That isn't to say that its NOT a good system or helpful, but personally my major nemesis is wind drift, even at the relatively short distance of 300-400yds. Ive completely missed more than one sheep, and a pile of targets on Maunakea because I've fired directly into a sudden strong gust I didn't know was coming until it blew me sideways.

    I would also rather have to remember which stadia to use, or how many clicks to add/subtract, and get the slight but noticeable glass improvement, and slightly less bulky scope.

    Again personal preference, my previously mentioned buddy loves his, and has taken some animals at well beyond what Im comfortable with simply because his SCOPE new his drop tables, and all he had to do was make the shot, which is not insignificant.
     
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    Ive been very happy with my Athlons, as have the two guys who have bought the HMRs. One guy bought the HMR, and his dad (whom I was friends with before I met his son) bought a Leupold MK4 from me at the same time, and of a similar power range, they both preferred the HMR, and I'm PRETTY sure if I hadn't given my buddy the MK4 for what I paid, he would have bought another HMR for his rifle.
    Athlon also has excellent customer service, I HAVE sent two scopes back.
    One because it wasn't adjusting after a range trip.....which thinking back on Im positive I didn't tighten down the lock screws on the turret after trying to set it to zero, and another because there was a tiny smudge of grease at the very edge of a lense.
    In both cases, neither scope lost zero (I was actually trying to box test the first scope the day after getting it sighted when it wouldn't adjust) or was completely incapacitated, and they replaced the optics within 2 weeks....The grease thing I feel kinda bad about, as it completely cosmetic, I thought they would pop the lens out wipe it off and put it back.
    I have heard complaints that they are fragile as well, but again I haven't seen that, including dropping my heavy Creedmoor with my Midas onto the concrete and the scopes focus/illumination knob taking the hit squarely.

    Actually, If you'd like to TRY an Athlon Ive got either my first gen Midas BTR, or a second-gen Argos HMR which is the step down sitting on my scope shelf right now not doing anything. Neither have quite as good a glass as the HMR but both are representative of the brand IME.
     
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