SCOTUS denies cert on two 2A cases.

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BREAKING 2A SCOTUS: SCOTUS denied cert in Md Shall Issue (licensing issue) and Gray v. Jennings. However, looks like Snope (AR-15 ban) and Ocean State Tactical (magazine ban) will be relisted later today. This means semi-auto rifle ban issue is still alive & well so, on balance, I am okay with this so far.

"I don't know about you guys, I am getting frustrated at slow pace of judicial progress to defend/protect our constitutional rights. What about you?"
 
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Weren't both of these cases in an interlocatory posture which means they can be brought up for cert again?
 
General1776 said:
Weren't both of these cases in an interlocatory posture which means they can be brought up for cert again?
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Yes, but this just came out.

In addition, Supreme Court has denied petition on Gray v Jennings ... interlocutory relief ... Supreme Court has decided that they will not be accepting review
- So ... down to two cases ... What happened with Snope v Brown and Ocean State Tactical?
- The answer is they have been rescheduled to January 17th
- It's very disappointing on the Maryland Shall Issue case ... I thought that case was ripe for review
- Gray v Jennings ... was ... interlocutory ... I was a little surprised Supreme Court had taken so much interest in it ... surprised it got as far as it did
- We are most carefully watching Snope v Brown and the Ocean State Tactical ... They were not denied review and that's good news ... they have kicked the can down the road ... for January 17th.
 
Mk-211 said:
Yes, but this just came out.

In addition, Supreme Court has denied petition on Gray v Jennings ... interlocutory relief ... Supreme Court has decided that they will not be accepting review
- So ... down to two cases ... What happened with Snope v Brown and Ocean State Tactical?
- The answer is they have been rescheduled to January 17th
- It's very disappointing on the Maryland Shall Issue case ... I thought that case was ripe for review
- Gray v Jennings ... was ... interlocutory ... I was a little surprised Supreme Court had taken so much interest in it ... surprised it got as far as it did
- We are most carefully watching Snope v Brown and the Ocean State Tactical ... They were not denied review and that's good news ... they have kicked the can down the road ... for January 17th.
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Really hope that they take Snope v. Brown and Ocean State Tactical.....with those two cases they could merge them, no?
 
That's beyond my knowledge, I wouldn't think it's possible.

I wouldn't advise it, you could lose both, if they don't like one or the other.
 
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Smith says that since there was no cert today, there is a diminishing chance of it next week. If it goes to next year, there is probably not a clear majority positive to the issues.
 
Seems many of us were wrong to think that this Court would be different from those in the past when Kennedy was the swing man on the bench, but it appears to be no different.

The Snope case having already been thru the district and circuit courts twice both pre and post Bruen is more ripe for SCOTUS review than the RI magazine case, but SCOTUS not granting cert for it speaks volumes: The Supreme Court believes that states have the right to enforce the most draconian violations of the 2nd Amendment so long as they issue carry licenses.

With a denial of cert in Snope, I expect we will see total bans on semi automatic firearms coming from the Blue anti-gun states in the next few years.
 
This is what over reliance on the judicial branch looks like.
The only silver lining here might be that this pushes RKBA advocates to formulate a game plan that isn't so razor thin in terms of scope, and not completely devoid of options.
 
They're right all the way up to the last sentence in that piece.
But it's going to take significant civil disobedience to really push the needle on advancing gun right. It's precisely what the states who willfully ignore SCOTUS are doing at the moment. The difference is, there's a lot more at stake for our side and the optics will look terrible. Armed crazies defy gun laws! We know how that story ends.
 
TTv2 said:
Seems many of us were wrong to think that this Court would be different from those in the past
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SCOTUS watching is complicated. They get, on average, more than 3000 cases referred to them. They can actually hear around 750-850 per session. So, cases that are "worthy" may not "make the cut" despite being "important."

We, in the gun community, of course put far more importance on "gun cases" than the rest of the legal decisions out there. So, "we" feel these decisions more strongly than others. We have to take the "misses" as well as the "hits."
 
CapnMac said:
SCOTUS watching is complicated. They get, on average, more than 3000 cases referred to them. They can actually hear around 750-850 per session. So, cases that are "worthy" may not "make the cut" despite being "important."

We, in the gun community, of course put far more importance on "gun cases" than the rest of the legal decisions out there. So, "we" feel these decisions more strongly than others. We have to take the "misses" as well as the "hits."
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The percentage of cases granted cert varies from year to year, but 750 out of 3000 is 25%. That's far too high. It's somewhere in the low single digit %, usually around 2-3%.

Supreme Court Success Rate on a Writ of Certiorari

The probability of success of a Writ of Certiorari. The success rate on a Writ of Certiorari. The number of petitions filed with the Supreme Court. The number of petitiones accepted by the Supreme Court.
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So it's not too surprising that all four of the 2A cases didn't make the cut this year. We shall see what happens to the remaining two.
 
Well, one major selling point of rather sketchy politicians is that they would appoint justices that would sort through the usual arcane cases to ones fundamental to the BOR. Guess we excuse that with the 'they don't take that many cases'. Note they took some trivial gun cases in the great scheme. Now they are taken cases about parents and gay oriented text books in schools. While that may be a flaming issue to some, they don't have time to do major 2A cases? Yeah, sex has been a hot issue for the right wing and left wing nuts on the court but is it a BOR priority.

No excuses - let the cognitive dissonance play as it has been doing since Heller wasn't the flaming sword some thought. Same with Bruen - just you wait - WOO HOO, Thomas and Alito will blah, blah --- now it's write a dissent.
 
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Guess we excuse that with the 'they don't take that many cases'. Note they took some trivial gun cases in the great scheme. Now they are taken cases about parents and gay oriented text books in schools. While that may be a flaming issue to some, they don't have time to do major 2A cases? Yeah, sex has been a hot issue for the right wing and left wing nuts on the court but is it a BOR priority.
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It's just a numbers game. The court is taking less and less overall cases per session. I've mentioned this before and it's apparently distressing to some posters here. This time around, we have Vanderstok, so we'll get the robed nine to weigh in on so-called "ghost guns". It's the perfect case to ignore the bigger 2A questions and leave them unresolved.

As for those other controversies, the constraints of the forum rules (not complaining) keep us from discussing much about the more general mindset of the supreme court. For that, we're forced to discuss 2A litigation and legislation as if it happens in a vacuum. Yet those other cases being front and center in the mind of the public is largely why we're stuck in this pattern. Those wedge issues directly affect the strategies of dedicated anti-gun advocates. Those issues find us in spite of our attempt to ignore them here.
 
Exactly! Just what I meant about trivial cases. For some it might be a big issue but ghost guns are a diversion. As are domestic abuser laws.
 
Tomorrow is make or break, and the outcome will really determine the true temperature of the supreme court. My gut feeling is they have no interest in playing in the major leagues, and are content to debate non-controversial 2A minutiae. FWIW, I want to be wrong about this.
 
Sounds like SCOTUS punted on both cases today. Probably won't know until Monday whether denied or relisted. Maybe next term, or the one after that, or.....
 
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